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    A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Submitted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 27, 2002 – 10:55
    Did you notice? All the top commercial distros come with cool graphical lilo bootscreens. Ok, they’re not that useful, but it’s quite nice for a desktop computer running multiple OSes. When I installed Woody a few months ago I noticed that its lilo package supports the graphical boot menu. The only problem is that there is no image you can use for it…
    Accordingly I had a go at it myself, and I’m quite pleased with the results. Since I like it, I thought there are might be some other people out there who’ll like it too. Everybody who is interested can download the bootscreen here. I’ve included a ready to use bitmap as well as the original Gimp xcf image. A small readme explains the installation and necessary settings in the lilo.conf. And please, tell me what you think of it.

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    Subject: Now, Sarge ‘s lilo have the lilo image.
    Author: zhansimon
    Date: Tuesday, 2004/05/11 – 17:45
    I’ve install debian with debian installer beta3, the default installed lilo didn’t implement the function. but you can do some job as following :

    apt-get –purge remove lilo
    apt-get install lilo
    liloconfig
    and check /etc/lilo.conf file, insure the entry boot=/dev /hd? is correct. here hd? commonly is hda.
    lilo -M /dev/hda
    lilo

    and you get it!

    and U can diy some 640x480x256color bmp file with M$painter or with gimp under linux

    HI, I’m Simon from China.

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    Subject: The Tux image
    Author: fergus
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/05 – 03:39
    I have got my nice lilo bootscreen up and running. Makes for a nice change to the default red-text version.

    Does anyone know how to modify the tux image while the boot messages are showing. I noticed that the 2.2 kernel has the tux with a beer image (I think it’s beer?) and the 2.4 kernel has the Larry Ewing Tux that we all know and love.

    Trouble is when I compile a new kernel I loose my nice penguin.
    Where is this image?
    Can I change it?
    How would I add it to my newly compiled kernel image?

    Fergus

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    Subject: >Where is this image ?
    It is
    Author: timo
    Date: Sunday, 2002/11/10 – 13:09
    >Where is this image ?
    It is in include/linux/linux_logo.h. You can enable it by defining CONFIG_FB, CONFIG_FB_VESA and, i don’t know if it is essential, CONFIG_FB_VGA16

    >Can I change it ?
    You can :-D. See the logo patch project for details.

    best regards

    timo

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Friday, 2002/05/24 – 20:45
    I think it’s really great! Maybe it should
    additionally say, that you can get into text
    mode with TAB (which I will try in a minute)

    Thanks for the great work!

    Hannes

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    Subject: Save Space with RLE encoding
    Author: DonDiego
    Date: Friday, 2002/05/10 – 23:42
    Great Work! The bootscreen looks really nice.

    You can shrink the size of the bmp from 150k to 24k by saving it as RLE encoded in Gimp. Lilo supports it.

    FWIW, I have made my variant of the bootscreen. You can find it here:

    http://www.biurrun.de/debian/lilo.png

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    Subject: Can’t seem to make it work….
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Friday, 2002/05/03 – 23:58
    Have upgraded to Woody. Have following the instruction from the README. Have run lilo, no errors. When rebooting, same ol’ same ol’. Not nice image. What gives?

    Also, now that I upgraded lilo to Woody, lilo no longer installs into my mbr? Instead is installs to my Linux partition? When I installed lilo for the first time (on Potato) it gave my the option of where to install it (MBR or /dev/hda3). No such configuration message for me this time around. What gives?

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    Subject: Re: Can’t seem to make it work….
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/05/14 – 19:26
    If you want to install lilo into your MBR just
    enter
    boot=/dev/hda
    into your lilo.conf

    to install into a parition do the same and add the number of the partition like:
    boot=/dev/hda3

    for any further details ‘man lilo.conf’

    Simon
    And English is my second language πŸ™‚

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    Subject: Anyone?
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Saturday, 2002/05/04 – 12:28
    Anyone?
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    Subject: Re: Can’t seem to make it work….
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Friday, 2002/05/03 – 23:59
    I just re-read my post. Yes, English is my first language. LOL. I should preview my posts, huh? πŸ˜‰
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    Subject: lilo-error when trying to create my own bootscreen
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Friday, 2002/05/03 – 09:38
    I tried to create my own bootscreen, but I run into a lilo-error: “Fatal: Unsupported bitmap” it says.

    The relevant part of my lilo.conf looks like that:
    […]
    bitmap=/boot/coca-cola.bmp
    bmp-colors=1,,0,2,,0
    bmp-table=145p,195p,1,15,17
    bmp-timer=170p,447p,1,0,0
    […]

    And here is my image: http://www.sopos.org/coca-cola.bmp

    Any hints?

    TIA,
    olli

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    Subject: Re: lilo-error when trying to create my own bootscreen
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Friday, 2002/05/03 – 10:05
    A nice picture. But your image has the wrong size, it’s 680×480 pixels.

    If you want it to use as a lilo screen you must change it to 640×480!

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    Subject: Re: lilo-error when trying to create my own bootscreen
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Friday, 2002/05/03 – 11:33
    AAARGGHH!!

    Thanks πŸ™‚

    olli

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    Subject: Screenshot requested!
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2002/05/02 – 02:40
    Um, is there a screenshot that someone can put up online? Thx. –r.
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    Subject: Re: Screenshot requested!
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Thursday, 2002/05/02 – 10:58
    Well, you just could download the bzipped archive and have a look at the bitmaps.

    but for the impatient here is a preview picture, but without menu entries and remaining time. you can’t make a simple screenshot on bootup πŸ˜‰

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    Subject: Documentation for this
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 19:40
    Where can I find more documentation for this?

    I’d love to make my own booting “splashscreens”, but I need to move the Menubox. So I need more explanation about these lilo.conf entrys. The manpage and /usr/share/doc/lilo are not mentioning it.

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    Subject: Re: Documentation for this
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 19:44
    You can find more infos about the lilo.conf settings in the manpage for lilo.conf itself (that’s where i had all information from).

    most important for the image itself is that you have to use a bitmap with 640×480 pixels and 16 colors.

    and what i didn’t understand on my first trials: whenever you specify a color in the lilo.conf you have to enter it’s position in the image’s color palette

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 17:30
    Perhaps I must apologize for the phrase I used in the above text: When I talked about all the “top commercial distros” having a nicer lilo I never meant debian to become a SuSE or Mandrake clone. Perhaps some of you got this wrong.

    I’m using Debian because it’s not like the commercial distros, and I never had a more stable, fast and complete OS running on my computer before.

    But I personaly like a nice bootmenu on my desktop PC, and Debian’s lilo doesn’t have one. The text box is just terrible. So I made one and thought I should share it with others.

    Never wanted it to become the default, never wanted everybody to use it. And of course somebody who never reboots doesn’t have any use of bootmenu πŸ˜‰

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    Subject: Just don’t make it the default πŸ™‚
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 13:10
    Graphical thingies might be nice for the odd person but personally I would rather keep my boot screen empty apart from the text ‘LILO 2.xx’.
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    Subject: Re: Just don’t make it the default πŸ™‚
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 17:12
    that’s one of the best things about open source: you always have the freedom of choice
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: piranha-jpl
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 04:26
    For those that have set up graphical boot menus themselves, kudos. I think this is the way it should be–people setting things like this up themselves, instead of it happening out-of-the-box. I would hate to see Debian turn into something with stuff like a graphical LILO boot menu, a graphics-heavy framebuffer configuration (not sure how to refer to it exactly, but if you’ve used SuSE in “text” mode, as opposed to in X, you know what I mean), and a reliance on graphics-oriented system configuration programs.

    I know the story is just talking about the LILO boot menu, but others are saying in replies to this story things along the lines of, “Debian would be so much better with the Mandrake installer and the Mandrake configuration utilities…”. This ticks me off. I love Debian for what it is right now. I can install it on a 1.1GHz Athlon, a 25MHz 486SX with 16MB RAM, or a Sparcstation LX, and not have to worry about this sort of bloat breaking or slowing down the system. I know I’ve had my share of frustration with Mandrake’s ineptitude in a non-X environment.

    Not trying to flame or troll, this is just how I feel…

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 17:15
    i completely agree. even if i personaly like a graphical lilo i would hate it to be the default in debian.

    nevertheless, the images could be included in the official lilo package along with the installation instructions. it could even be an option in the lilo setup scripts, but a simple text message that you can use a graphical menu would be enough.

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 05:02
    Agreed – if you want Mandrake you know where to find it πŸ™‚
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: carney1979
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 02:24
    Great work! This has earned an honored spot on my CD-R of must have back-ups (just in case the full system back should ever fail).

    Thanks!

    David

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 19:19
    Great I’m using it, much better than the scary red box πŸ™‚
    I wonder if this can make into woody…
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    Subject: 2 Questions: bootresolution and grafics while bootmessages
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 14:57
    For a while now I am looking not only for a nice bootmenu but also for a way to set my boot-resolution for the tdfxfb-device in lilo and maybe to even see the bootmessages with a nice background (SuSe has this white background with green borders that looks quite fancy imo).

    I tried several things about the resolution at bootup but the only thing that worked so far was setting it with an fbset-script in /etc/init.d/ but that doesnt apply at the very beginning so its not as cool as a real boot into 1024×768-90hz. Hope someone could help.

    btw. the debian-bootlogo-patch should be a cool thing too in case you run framebuffer device and would like to see the debian-logo instead of the fat old penguin πŸ˜‰

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    Subject: add an append= line to lilo.conf
    Author: DonDiego
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 23:33
    I boot up straight into 1024×768-99Hz via the following line in my lilo.conf:

    append=”video=matrox:vesa:0x117,fv:99,init,sgram,fastfont:40000″

    I have a Matrox G200, but this should also be possible with other graphics boards. Read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/*.

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    Subject: Re: add an append= line to lilo.conf
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 10:32
    cant find info about the tdfxfb-device that i use there. anyone knows where that has to be looked up?
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    Subject: Re: add an append= line to lilo.conf
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 18:55
    TDFX frambuffer is for card based at Voodoo chips, it is? Then add the next line to lilo.conf:
    append=”video=tdfx:1024×768-24@90″

    where:
    1024×768 is the resolution ;o)
    24 are the colors used
    90 is the refresh rate

    maybe that refresh won’t work. 80 worked fine with my Voodoo3 2000 just test it. A thing, the tux image (at left corner in boot) is corrupted with the tdfx framebuffer, sorry by that πŸ™

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: dale
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 03:02
    Great work.
    I think lilo should ask the question would
    you like a text or graphic boot. With this
    one being the default graphic on installation.
    Maybe the default should still be text however.
    If its too late to mess about with the lilo boot
    package, then can we have these files included
    in the package along with the README? I can see
    no reason not to do this at a minimum.
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 13:53
    I’ve tried to contact the maintainer of the lilo package. Perhaps we will hear something from him.
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    Subject: THE GUI bootloader for Linux, Windows and everything else…
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 02:04
    The answer is here. There has been an awesome graphical and highly intelligent boot loader for ages. It’s called XOSL, and can be downloaded from www.xosl.org.

    It recognises Linux and Windows and many more. To work with Linux, install LILO into the MBR, then when installing XOSL (via a dos partition) set it to find Linux as the old MBR. I have you don’t load LILO into the MBR, anytime you edit the MBR/FAT XOSL forgets where Linux is.

    I have been running an awesome GUI bootloader for my dual boot Windows 98SE and Debian Potato for ever it seems. My method was:
    1). Partition HD
    2). Install Windows
    3). Install Linux with LILO on MBR – When you power-on, Linux should boot not Windows.
    4). Boot to DOS with a Boot disk (DOS or Windows Boot disk).
    5). Install XOSL – Linux = old MBR, and Windows = FAT32 partition.
    6). Customize XOSL to your own colors and menu options.
    7). Enjoy!!!!

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    Subject: Am using XOSL too – it rocks
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2002/05/02 – 12:31
    I first installed win98 into a primary partition. Then installed linux into an extended partition and told linux to use the / partition as it’s root and boot device. And then created another extended partition for XOSL and told XOSL to startup from the mbr. Adding windows and linux was your basic point-and-click work, since XOSL auto-detects the mouse and graphic card (for an easy to use gui). And if you want you can even install it with a built-in file system partitioning tool (though I have no experience with that).

    It’s very clean. Ridiculously easy to use. And just basically makes lilo look very ancient.

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    Subject: Re: THE GUI bootloader for Linux, Windows and everything els
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 03:18
    What does XOSL do that Grub doesn’t?…I’ve not used XOSL (yet).
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    Subject: Re: THE GUI bootloader for Linux, Windows and everything els
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 06:55
    Not sure about grub. I read the instrustions for grub almost a year ago, and it seemed more trouble than it was worth (no disrespect intended).

    XOSL is VERY simple to install. Just unzip, run the install.exe and configured via menus. Has support for different screen resolutions. It detects the abilities of your vga card. It installs from DOS or Windows DOS MODE. You can set a default OS to load after x seconds, with hotkeys to load other OS’s. Or you can have a nice graphical menu. Supports mouse also. Am totally wrapt with this program. Newbie friendly. πŸ™‚

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 22:58
    A what ?.. Bootscreen ??? What good is it when you don’t need to boot at all… A bootscreen for Windows would be much more useful πŸ™‚
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 13:52
    Where is the point? If you don’t have to boot at all there is no use for any kind of bootscreen or bootmenu. Of course these things are for people who have to boot their system often. So what?

    And after all we are mainly talking about a graphical Lilo, not a complete graphical bootup (which realy wouldn’t make any sense in my opinion)

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Stef
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 01:34
    Yeah, a boot screen is just another delay in the process.

    I remember when Corel Linux used their LILO boot screen. It was nice, but once LILO was done loading the kernel it went back to text again. So what’s the point?

    Way back when I used Mandrake, I got rid of Aurora because it slowed things done too much. It used to load itself, finish the bootstrap process, and then unload itself for X to initialize.

    No, the system initialization needs to be streamlined so that it brings up the system with as little time wasted. Programs like Login.app can be configured to make the system pretty.

    Stef

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 13:48
    That’s why a graphical lilo shouldn’t be the default. Anyway it’s something I won’t miss. There is already a “delay” on bootup just because I’ve to select the system to boot (actually it’s debian for my daily work, a testing partition to try out other distros or stuff and windows for gaming). Doesn’t matter if the lilo menu is graphical and needs a half second longer to load.

    But I hope there will be never something like Aurora in Debian. That realy slows things down. Mandrake is anyway terrible slow

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 20:43
    Hmm for some reason I have to press capslock to see the picture. It was the same with the textbased lilo, if I didn’t press capslock i never got to see the menu, instead it booted linux directly. Anybody know why this is like it is, and how I can fix it?
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: korbatz
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 09:25
    All you need is to add “prompt” line in your lilo.conf. (and timeout=xx if you still want to have an automatic boot feature)

    (btw, the ultimate tools for lilo are “man lilo.conf” and vi :)))

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 10:41
    Tnx, it works great now, what’s ultimate tools concerned, well you’re half right :))

    /scame

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 00:05
    Ahh, that is a lilo.conf problem.
    There are two things which control the start of linux.
    You have bouth in your config.

    I had the same problem. I don’t know how I’ve solve it. Try a graphical frontend for lilo. Webmin.

    have fun
    Felix

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    Subject: Here is the solution
    Author: Trigux
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 20:17
    There is a mini-howto to achieve that but it’s only in spanish

    Mini-COMO: Lilo con un menu grafico animado

    Anybody wants to translate it?

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    Subject: Re: Here is the solution
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 00:48
    It says to patch your kernel with the SuSE
    patches or use their .rpm. For Debian, it
    suggests using alien. Thats it, in a nutchell
    Can translate it in full if required.
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    Subject: Re: Here is the solution
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 00:46
    Si claro. Yes, of course. I’ve just translated
    it for myself roughly. Basically it says
    “Apply the SuSE patches to your kernel or use
    their .rpm. If using debian, use alien to convert
    the rpm to a .deb
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    Subject: Re: Here is the solution
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 23:51
    I’m a linux newbie, and this is my first contribution ever to linux and the Debian project. Hope you find this useful. This is a rough translation…

    http://espanol.geocities.com/trigux/comos/lilo-grafico-mini-como.html

    1. About this document.
    This is the mini-HowTo to install lilo with an animated graphical menu and it will explain clearly how to put a pretty OS seelction screen in your machine.

    This howto has been created in order to avoid asking around IRC channels or help lists how to install lilo with a graphical menu.

    The author and maintainer of this mini HowTo is Christrian Ortiz, trigux@netscape.net . Comments and suggested additions will be welcome.

    2.Information about author’s copyrights.

    This mini-HOWTO is copyrighted Β© 2002 by Christian Ortiz. All rights reserved.

    Any literal copy can be reproduced or distributed in any physical or electronic medium without my permission.

    Translations are also allowed without permission as long as they include a note about who translated it [ziritrion@mail.ru].

    Short quotes may be added without my permission.

    Derived works and partial distributions of the mini-HOWTO to install lilo with an animated graphical menu must be accompanied either with a literal copy of this file or with a link to a literal copy.

    Commercial redistribution is allowed and encouraged; however, I would like to be notified of such distributions.

    In short, I wish to promote the dissemination of this information through as many channels as possible. However, I wish to keep the copyright of this mini-HOWTO document, and I would like to be notified of any redistribution plan.

    3. Requirements

    1. A lilo package with the SuSE patches (For more information about where to get the packages, read appendix A)
    2. A lilo configuration tool, a functional lilo.conf file or make the file yourself (not explained in this document)
    3. A foo.boot file where foo is the name of any file which has an animated menu (For more info about where to get one read appendix B)
    4. A graphics card which supports VESA mode 640×480 at 256 colours
    5. Knowledge about how to install packages in your distribution :-).

    4. Installation

    Install the lilo package you got and configure the /etc/lilo.conf file as you like (either with linuxconf or self-made), now place the foo.boot file in your /boot directory. Add the following line to your /etc/lilo.conf
    message = /boot/foo.boot
    and edit the line
    timeout =
    put the amount of seconds that you want to make the animated screen appear (more than 45 seconds as preference).
    Save the file and execute the #lilo command in a terminal, now when booting your machine you will see the new menu.

    Appendix A

    Where do I get the lilo packages with the SuSE patch?

    If you are using a rpm-based distribution you can download the rpm from any suse ftp, it is placed on the directory
    http://algunmirrordesuse /suse/i386/7.3/suse/a1/lilo.rpm
    If you use Debian you can download the rpm and turn it to deb with the following command:
    $fakeroot alien -d lilo.rpm
    (Here remember to put the lilo package in hold after installing it so apt or dselect will not want to overwrite it with another version)

    Appendix B

    Where do I get the animated menu files?

    You can get them in the following page:
    http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/index-en.html
    On this page there also are instruccions of how to make your own animated screens.

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    Subject: Re: Here is the solution (translated)
    Author: bluesmurf
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 23:17
    Here is a translation of the Mini HOWTO mentioned above.

    http://members.lycos.co.uk/datalogide/other/lilo-graphics-mini-howto.html

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 19:17
    I’ve just added the described lilo bitmap to my Woody box and, along with the use of TrueType under XFree+KDE, it does go another step in making Debian more palatable for the unwashed masses. I don’t reboot my *nix box all the time and yet I’m pleased with the result. Thanks for the tip!

    BTW: while I think it’s too late to add such little detail to Woody in time for the release (though one can wish: how hard can it be to add the option to the installer?), I do hope that the next version of Debian will incorporate such niceties.

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 17:32
    Mandrake installer + Debian + Mandrakes GUI config utilities = Perfect linux distribution.
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 13:05
    Once ya got apt-cache and apt-get who needs any fancy installers…. πŸ™‚
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: data_the_android
    Date: Sunday, 2002/05/12 – 22:04
    i agree completly
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 03:15
    I’d change that to:

    pgi (Progeny GUI Installer) + Debian + …

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    Subject: but i love the textmode debian installer!
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 05:25
    what’s wrong with it?
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    Subject: Re: but i love the textmode debian installer!
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 09:36
    Well you can still use it…..
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: CivilDisobedience
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 17:58
    … for desktop users maybe. but debian was never intended as a desktop distro (although it works fine as one if you’re a good power user), and X11 installers cause problems (such as non-existant drivers and loss of control and lockups). look at Progeny if you wanna see Debian more X-ified
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 18:03
    In my opinion a well configured Debian is the best desktop distro around there.

    I’ve tried SuSE and Mandrake, and even if they are easier to set up they are not running without problems. Never had problems with Debian.

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: CivilDisobedience
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 19:58
    yes, this is true. but as i said you need to be “a good power user” to use Debian for your desktop. the same goes for FreeBSD or Slackware. i have used all three on my [desktop] pc. you need to understand concepts and processes that most/many desktop users don’t know about or care about. that’s why they all use Mandrake and RedHat. so, yes, Debian is nearly perfect, but that doesn’t mean it is without effort (because then it wouldn’t be quite so perfect)
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 13:38
    Yes, that’s right. For a complete Linux newbie Mandrake or so is surely the best distro. But if you have once installed Debian you’ll never want to have anything else πŸ˜‰
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: CivilDisobedience
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 18:28
    yep πŸ™‚ well, i still want to install BSD and Slak, but i think it’s safe to say that there will never be another RPM-based/RedHat-derivant on a computer that i own ever again
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 17:31
    Make a screen for unstable/SID
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 17:55
    Yes, why not. I’ve created a Sid version, it’s available here

    I wasn’t sure which version number will be next after 3.0, but I called it 3.1 ‘Sid’. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 18:28
    No,
    Sid is forever unstable, it won’t become testing or stable unless the developer changes their mind.
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 19:20
    Oh, thought it would one day become teting and then stable.

    So after Woody is released the new testing will get a new name which will be used for the next release, right?

    However, I’ve changed the text.

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Stoerte
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 00:31
    http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-sid

    unstable will allways called sid, so I don’t have to change the boot screen :).
    Thx for it.

    Frank

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 20:53
    SID == Still in development.. It’s better to not use this name for a stable release πŸ™‚
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: martijn
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 23:52
    Well, actually that is not where the name originates from. “Sid” is one of the characters in the Toy Story movies.
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 23:14
    Yep, Sid is the boy who breaks the toys…
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    Subject: Animated Bootup for Linux/Debian
    Author: Claymen
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 15:38
    just to let you know there is a gui bootup screen for linux its called aurora i think, its part of mandrake 8.x and also i beleive 7.2. Anyway its quite nice looking but from what i remember it supported only redhat based distros, but i would assume it isnt too hard to make it work with Debian.

    I shall try and find a link and post it. Btw if u want to see it isntall a copy of mandrake, it also uses the lilo gui bootmenu. Mandrake is basically a very easy to use linux distro (its what i started out on) anyway its mostly gui so for ex windows users its a great starting point….. although the console still rox.

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    Subject: Re: Animated Bootup for Linux/Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 16:31
    I installed mandrake a few months ago and was surprised how easy and fast it was to install.

    However it has the same problem most commercial distros have: Since the developers want to include the latest features many packages are often untested and buggy. e.g. the KonCD package was absolutely unusable and the fonts in kde nerly unreadable. And it took quite a long time until the system was completely started up.

    For me it’s no alternative to Debian. But Debian users and developers should take a lokk on Mandrake. Especially the installer is great.

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    Subject: Re: Animated Bootup for Linux/Debian
    Author: Claymen
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 12:03
    Thats what im saying, if you wanted to make debian more “user friendly” then thats what you should aim for. Mandrakes installation process and setup of everything is extremely easy, but it does have a downside. Being easy lots of n00b’s tend to install and use it, you know those that want to use linux to be “cool” but dont want to learn anything. The ones that bitch about linux not being able to do anything. I myself do feel that linux installations should not be made any easier for debian, keep it the way it is because it keeps out many of those that dont want to learn. Still i do like the idea of having nice bootup screens and stuff, although having lots of incomprehensible(to non linux users) text scrolling up the screen does look cool.
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    Subject: Re: Animated Bootup for Linux/Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 17:21
    Even if it has not much to do with the discussion here:

    IMHO computers have a general problem: they are still to hard to use. in a perfect os you wouldn’t have to care about technical computer details.

    i would welcome it when linux would become a mainstream os. i realy can understand people who don’t want to learn too much about computers. they want to use them not get used by them.

    we who have more knowledge about computers should understand this. what’s wrong with an easy to use installer?

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    Subject: Re: Animated Bootup for Linux/Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2002/05/02 – 15:58
    I have to agree… I remember the first time I tried installing debian… I spent 48hours and I still hadn’t gotten through it…

    Xfree I didnt configure through debian – I stole it from my old redhat install πŸ˜›

    Ofcourse now I’m more skilled and can get debian installed with a proper self-configged kernel in a matter of minutes…

    I’d say we should strive to include an optional GUI installer ala Mandrake’s… I don’t see why this great distribution shouldn’t be accessible to everyone… fine – some don’t wanna learn, but some do want to learn – if they don’t get put off as early as the installation process…

    Having that happen to the distro is a real shame.

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    Subject: Re: Animated Bootup for Linux/Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2002/05/02 – 17:09
    boot-floppies dies with woody. There will be a new installer in 3.1.

    The old Progeny Linux installer is already in testing (package pgi), if you want to try that.

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 12:28
    if redhat and suse have it, it’s definitely not something we would want in debian .
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 14:36
    I don’t think this is the way Debian should develop. SuSE, RedHat and Mandrake are doing their part for the linux community: bringing the system to a wider range of users. Not everything they do is bad (well, apart of gcc 2.96, broken packages and bugs and…)

    A graphical lilo is surely a nice feature for people who often reboot into different systems. As soomebody else said above this “nasty red” lilo textmenu is terrible to look at.

    After all nobody has to use a graphical lilo, but whoever wants can do it.

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: annoia
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 14:27
    I believe redhat and SuSE has XFree 4.2… Nuf said.
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 13:52
    read what you wrote again, and tell me that doesnt show childish ignorance. πŸ™‚
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 12:15
    anythings better than that nasty red box, ick.
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: annoia
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 12:10
    Ok… But when will animated bootscreens be a part of debian? It’s a part of SuSE it seems, but to be able to use it you’d have to patch your lilo yourself and install it that way.

    Some of the bootscreens I’d like are these .

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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: h2o
    Date: Thursday, 2002/05/09 – 20:50
    I offered the conferted rpm’s (debs) from suse months ago. I had the penguins screen installed right away. People simply bashed me when I offered them. Very simply tip. Get the suse rpm’s wich are needed for the animated screen use alien on them and instal! And you have your lilo bootscreen right away. Please note that you shouldn’t update lilo with apt-get else you’ll destroy lilo
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 06:32
    I’m doing those boot screens right now in Debian. Just just alien to convert the rpm and install it. Only problem I had was debian tried to overwrite it again with newer versions, so actually (IIRC) I used alien to extract the rpm, edited the debian control file making mine version 999 or something, then made a deb out of that. Or you just just alien install the RPM and set lilo to ‘hold’ in dselect.
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    Subject: Re: A Lilo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: annoia
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 11:04
    Ok, I tried it and i worked (thanks). But wouldn’t it be cool if this worked without using “foreign” packages? Personally I don’t like doing these special tricks to my debian, and what you are doing is stopping any upgrade of lilo for all time… Which can’t be good.
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    Subject: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 11:49
    Can’t we do the same for Grub? Since it’s become more user friendly, e.g., grub-install ‘(hd0)’, and commercial heavy weights like RedHat use it — why shouldn’t Debian?
    I use Grub on all my computers at home and servers at work (as well as private ones I admin). Privately I mostly use it because of the multiboot standard compliance, it lets me boot my Hurd for instance. But apart from that I consider it to be the superior boot loader due to its easy configuring.
    What ever happened to the Linux Progress Patch project? Using a more graphical bootloader, be it lilo/palo/silo or grub, and then the simple graphical progress loader without the ugly bootup messages. If we had that, we’d spur more attention to Debian.
    Attention from geeks normally result in interest which gives momentum. And Linux (preferrably Debian GNU/Linux) still needs momentum. Even though it’s just useless graphical nonsense. Which this really is all about. πŸ™‚
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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: golfdiesel
    Date: Thursday, 2002/05/02 – 08:03
    How is grub coorporating with Win2k?
    More specific how is it running with disks connected to a PCI IDE controller? GRUB rendered my machine unbootable a number of times when running win98. The bootloader seems to be a little buggy when used on my HPT-370 UDMA100 controller. With win98 it’s simple to restore the bootsector by booting with a bootdisk and running fdisk /mbr. But this isn’t working with NTFS disks containing win2k… πŸ™
    side question… is there a tool similar to mkbootdisk from RedHat for Debian?
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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: colby
    Date: Sunday, 2002/05/05 – 01:25
    Try `mkboot` (/usr/sbin/mkboot).
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    Subject: LPP
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 06:50
    Linux Progress Patch seemed to work nicely for me a while back.

    Actually when I compiled support for NVidia console drivers in 2.4.9 kernel, there was a boot screen.

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    Subject: Re: LPP
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 15:38
    I wonder why Linux Progress Patch was abandoned?
    Surely it can’t be out of lack of interest. I tried to get it working but gave up after a while.
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    Subject: Re: LPP
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/04/30 – 18:40
    because of stuff like the splash screen in SuSE?

    L.

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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 09:31
    Sure you can use it for Grub πŸ™‚

    Just add:

    splashimage=(hdx,y)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz(or some other filename).

    Well, the image might need to be a different format, I’m not sure.

    I set up a Gentoo box the other day to test it out (I always wanted a complete from source distro), and that’s how they’ve done it.

    If someone wants to check it out, they can grab the Gentoo splash file .

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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Joy
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 13:23
    Where do you set this option, in menu.lst? I’ve never seen such a thing in grub and the info manual doesn’t mention it anywhere.
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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/05/01 – 15:47
    Where do you set this option, in menu.lst? I’ve never seen such a thing in grub and the info manual doesn’t mention it anywhere.

    oops my bad.. yeah, those entries go in menu.lst πŸ™‚

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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 04:17
    yes it gets set on a line by itself in menu.lst. and it works great with the grub from debian. nothing to hack at all, just point it at a suitable image. i’ve always used xpm, not sure what other formats may be supported.
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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 13:40
    Have a look at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/build.html,
    then serach for splashimage there.

    Apparently, the Gentoo people have improved GRUB themselves. We shall take their patches. for great GPL justice!

    I’m looking through that

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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/04/28 – 21:54
    I don’t think it’s Gentoo’s pathes that make the splashimage accessible.
    RedHat puts one into the default Grub as well
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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/04/29 – 15:51
    Redhat is using the same patches, which have been circulating here and there and never got into upstream. BTW we have splashimage support now. See http://bugs.debian.org/116965
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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 16:06
    Grub can’t be a default for Debian, since it doesn’t work on most architectures.

    And I believe Linux Progress Patch died…

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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 22:08
    GRUB is actualy portable, with little part of asm code. it will likely run on all Debian architectures for next release.

    Besides LILO doesn’t (and will never) work on all kernels Debian will support for 3.1 (Linux, the Hurd and *BSD), while GRUB does already thank being multiboot compliant.

    just my two.. wait, i hate cents

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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 20:07
    died and died. the current patch still works on kernel 2.4.18
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    Subject: Re: A Grub Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 16:42
    Nor does lilo. Every arch has it’s own bootloader, and has since the outset of ports. Base is a different set of packages depending on the architecture. Check out the source to debootstrap for the canonical list.
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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 11:28
    Looks nice… but where is the possibility to typ say, linux init=/bin/sh root=/…. ?

    I think this was acessable trough ctrl+x but that did not work.

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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 11:34
    Reboot and throw away 3 months of uptime just to test this? I think not!
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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/05/01 – 16:35
    what’s so special about uptime?
    a rebooted system runs muuuch more nicely πŸ™‚
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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: adt6247
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/06/12 – 16:30
    If you say so. I never reboot my Debian boxen, other than for kernel upgrades. Since I got a couple discounted APC UPS’s, I’ve accumulated a good bit of uptime… about 5 months or so, which was when I purchased the UPS’s.

    Seriously… I’ve never felt the need for a reboot on Linux, except my brief bout with Mandrake (way too much buggy beta software installed by default, including relatively buggy pre-released kernels).

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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 16:25
    Use bochs. =)
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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 14:38
    Well, if your system needs to run all the time there is realy no need to test some bootscreen which would anyway be useless for you.

    But if you’re just “collecting” uptime you could give it a try.

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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 11:32
    I did wonder that. You could add some menu entries for single or init=/bin/bash, but that doesn’t help if your HDDs move around. Of course, I use Grub where it’s not a problem anyway. =)
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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: sunfire
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 14:54
    Just press “Tab” and lilo will change into text mode. You should be able to enter boot-parameters then.
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    Subject: Re: A LiLo Bootscreen for Debian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2002/04/27 – 22:03
    The point of GRUB is its great flexibility, try it and you’ll understand what i mean.
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