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    All your woody are belong to us
    Submitted by robster on Friday, July 19, 2002 – 22:21
    WoodyYes… Debian 3.0 (aka woody) has been released a mere one year, 11 months and 4 days after 2.2 (aka potato). Get your fixes here:

    And yes… the new testing is called sarge. Hopefully this will finally end any confusion – sid will always be unstable.

    Update: The jigdo files can be found here.
    And: If you install discover, read-edid, and mdetect before installing xserver-xfree86, the debconf script will be able to detect your graphics card, monitor and mouse. This means you only have to answer one or two questions about your keyboard, and X practically configures itself.

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    Subject: But where are the jigdo dvd files?
    Author: msillence
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/29 – 15:14
    Subject says it all.
    The links on the debian website go nowhere…

    Thanks,
    M

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    Subject: They are…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/30 – 13:52
    here, but they’re still experimental.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: Inspiron 8100
    Author: zayamut
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/07/24 – 12:50
    Diy anyone else experience hard-lockups with the recent boot-floppies on Inspiron 8100. Both, linux 2.2 and linux 2.4 locked up mysteriously.
    I somehow managed to finish the installation with a lot of cold-reboots and the laptop is stable after I replaced the kernel with a self-made cross-built one using my backuped .config for the 8100.
    If I read the correct information, boot-floppies were labeled 3.0.23.

    Supplying the parameters “noapic” or “disableapic” and also combined with “apm=off acpi=off” didn’t stop the locking-up.

    So, anyone with an Inspiron 8100, please share your experiences or insight with me 😀
    I hope we can get newer boot-floppies, that don’t lock up, I mean boot-floppies prior to 3.0.23 (sorry, don’t remember the version) that I used to install some months or so ago didn’t lock up the machine.

    Nevertheless, I always have the option of building myself custom boot-floppies just with the inspiron-8100-suited kernel and using those.

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    Subject: i8100
    Author: justice
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/07/24 – 13:35
    I’m running Debian/unstable on my i8100. I installed back in early May and didn’t have any troubles with the install itself, but those boot floppies most likely didn’t have APIC compiled in. The stock 2.4.18 kernel would cause those locks for me, but when I compiled it with APIC disabled, everything got better. I do remember that noapic and disableapic didn’t work for me when I was trying to get the stock kernel working.
    Sorry I can’t be of more help, just wanted to share my experiences. Might be worth filing a bug report against the boot floppies asking that they come with APIC disabled. Ideally, there’d be some way for future kernel versions to realize that there is no APIC support and disable it before bad things happen.
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    Subject: too late
    Author: ml
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/07/24 – 10:47
    Unfortunately it was too late… after years of debian, I switched to SourceMage (www.sourcemage.org) 🙁

    Soo I’ll give a try to woody… just in case 😉

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    Subject: Support for ext3 “out of the box”?
    Author: Dast
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 18:59
    I looked in the installation guide without finding the answer. Is there support for ext3 file systems “out of the box”? I’m downloading now, but I’d like to know if the machines I install on can be set up to use ext3 by default…

    Oh, and great job guys! Can’t wait to try the new stable.

    –Dast

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    Subject: Read the article.
    Author: robot101
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 22:05
    • Read the article.

    Read the article.
    Read the article.
    Read the article.

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    Subject: I should have been more clear. It doesn’t
    Author: Dast
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 22:46
    answer my question. I want to know, can I set up my partitions as ext3 formated in the *installer*, not does the kernel simply have the ability to deal with ext3 file systems. I know the new kernel has support, and I know there are boot floppies that have a kernel with ext3 support, but can I create ext3 file systems from the installer without having to jump through hoops or do things manually.

    Sorry, I should have been more clear.

    –Dast

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    Subject: Answer to your question
    Author: mithril
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/07/24 – 21:54
    Using the netinst iso’s, yes. At the boot prompt type “bf24” to boot and install off the 2.4 kernel image. The default is the 2.2 kernel image which doesn’t support ext3/reiser. Be warned though, I had issues getting either my Realtek 8039 or 3Com 3C905B-TXNM detected with the bf24 image. Ended up installing the 2.2 then upgrading (which is better anyways:)
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    Subject: RTL8039
    Author: robster
    Date: Friday, 2002/07/26 – 18:22
    You can lart me if i’m wrong but isnt the 8039 ne2k-pci compatible, i think i might have a couple of them in my boxen.

    I havent tried installing woody on either of those using bf24, but i will be in the forseeable future to switch my server to lvm on woody with a dodgy hack =)

    Cheers

    Rob ‘robster’ Bradford
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    Subject: depends…
    Author: tjzeeman
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/07/24 – 09:48
    on the arch if support is actually used in the installer.
    i386 does indeed support both ReiserFS and Ext2/3 from the installer.
    Sparc on the other hand only supports Ext2/3; the latter only because all tools already supported it and was trivial to add about 2 months ago….
    Other archs will probably have likewise situations so check the arch-specific install-guide to be sure.
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    Subject: Bah.
    Author: robot101
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 23:31
    I thought that’d be implicit. Yes, the installer supports ext3/reiserfs partitions. Otherwise why would the installer’s own kernel image have support for them? =)

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: Hehe.
    Author: Dast
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 23:40
    “Otherwise, why would the installer’s own kernel image have support for them?”

    When it comes to software, I often wonder “Why else would X…”. Why certain things are supported and others not doesn’t seem to have any root in logic sometimes. But in this case, I’m happy to be able to encourage co-workers who use other ext3-at-install enabled distros to try the new Debian. 🙂

    –Dast

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    Subject: Hhmm
    Author: robster
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 22:07
    I think he is suggesting you READ THE BLOODY ARTICLE. Dont you? =)

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    Subject: The install process
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 06:35
    If you install discover, read-edid, and mdetect before installing xserver-xfree86, the debconf script will be able to detect your graphics card, monitor and mouse. This means you only have to answer one or two questions about your keyboard, and X practically configures itself.

    I hate to ask an obvious question, but…… shouldn’t these 3 apps be somewhere in the install process, should a user choose to install X? I mean, most people will want the task-x-window-system option in the install process. Having auto-magical stuff on the install cd, but unused, seems a little silly?

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    Subject: Yes, it’s being worked on..
    Author: robot101
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 10:47
    For 3.0r1. I had a word with joeyh (base-config maintainer). The least evil way to do it seems to be to check after the tasksel/dselect phases if xserver-xfree86 is selected, and then install these three if it is. They have to be *installed* before the apt-get phase, because of debconf’s preconfiguration. Simply making X depend on them won’t work.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: phew!
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 10:57
    Just as well, eh? http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=145
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    Subject: Best place for woody CDs?
    Author: raj
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 19:35
    The vendors listed on www.debian.org/CD/ all have potato rather than woody CDs (at the most, woody betas rather than the release). I suppose they’ll be updating soon. Anybody know of some definitely updated? I need to update my potato box and not by downloading, thanks. I’m inclined toward www.linux-cd.com since at least the DVD is up-to-date, so perhaps the CDs will be too.
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    Subject: If you’re in the UK…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 23:55
    I can burn and post you a set (with pretty labels too =) for £12 inc P&P. I should also add that our sponsors run www.debianshop.com in the UK, so when they get their CDs etc you should buy from them, not me. Really.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: Debian merchandising ?
    Author: bluesmurf
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 11:22
    Who is in charge of Debian Shop ?

    The Coffee Mugs have been comming soon forever!

    I need a coffee mug to have a coffee !!, I have a terrible time serving, mixing and drinking my coffee from my hands. :((

    byee.

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    Subject: Does it work?
    Author: jsf
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 06:41
    Every time I have looked at www.debianshop.com all I get is a blank page. Is is supposed to work?, because it doesn’t for me. I’d really like to know, maybe I would buy something from them, if it worked.

    Greetings,

    Jorge Santos

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    Subject: www.debianshop.com
    Author: bartvh
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 10:50
    The site has faulty html code: open(“…”) is not legal script code…

    Try to first switch of java-script when accessing the site. You should see a “continue” linke twice.

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    Subject: You need…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 10:48
    Cookies and javascript popups enabled. It doesn’t actually pop up any windows, but uses the same code to forward you on a few pages.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: 2.4 kernel?
    Author: dar
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 15:22
    Do the net install isos use the 2.4 kernel, or does that have to be updated later?
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    Subject: Depends…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 15:28
    Which ones you use. Most give you a choice so that you can choose the bf24 images at the boot: prompt (for the isolinux based ones) or using El Dorito multiboot standard or something. =)

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    Subject: No not nachos
    Author: robster
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 20:39
    El Torito even. El Dorito sounds like a cheesy savoury snack =)

    Rob ‘robster’ Bradford
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    Subject: El Dorito!
    Author: robot101
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 23:20
    It was intentional. =)

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: Yee HAW!
    Author: BLASTER_
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 02:48
    Hats off to ya Cowboy! Good work Debian. 😉
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    Subject: ‘Packages’ files
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 01:13
    A big thankyou to the Debian Developers and Commmunity! Very happy to see Woody released! Cheers everyone!

    Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages [1776kB]
    Any chance of Debian splitting the main Packages file in the future? Just under 2MB download via modem when the slightest change occurs…dang!!!! 🙂

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    Subject: better to…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 03:03
    do diffs and have a utility to look at your local files and decide which to download and apply.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: um…..
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 11:08
    Yes but to do a ‘diff’ I need to download the 2mb file first, instead of one or more smaller files (if updated) maybe.
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    Subject: Follow the links and find out
    Author: slash
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 15:00
    Follow the links and find out.. that Debian geez is doing the diffs for you.

    apt-pupdate grabs the diff for you.

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    Subject: ahhh!
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 23:04
    Ahhh gotcha! Sorry about that. Understood! Will this package/solution be absorbed into the official ‘apt’ oneday?
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    Subject: And: If you install discov
    Author: Caoilte
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 01:12
    And: If you install discover, read-edid, and mdetect before installing xserver-xfree86, the debconf script will be able to detect your graphics card, monitor and mouse.

    don’t suppose there’s a package which will do the same for unlabelled ISA network cards? *grumble*grumble*

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    Subject: Remote dist-upgrade?
    Author: crash
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 22:38
    OK, I am the pusher robot. I push forward the following, kinda obvious, question:

      Where in the installation manual, I see no better place for it, is the instructions for how to dist-upgrade with apt-get from Potato to Woody?

    The, maybe non-obvious, follow up question is:

      How do I dist-upgrade my Potato-based server without travelling to the co-location provider?

    I’m looking for instructions not unlike the Progeny to Woody conversion page.

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    Subject: Re: Remote dist-upgrade?
    Author: Thing
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 08:27
    Robot101’s description is pretty much what I do for remot upgrades, except.

    I log in twice, becoming root both times.

    I upgrade ssh:

        apt-get install ssh

    I log in a third time, and become root, to prove that ssh is still accepting connections, and all’s well.

    I upgrade screen with apt-get.

    I run screen, and then do the upgrade in the screen session (using your favourite upgrade method).

    after I finish, I make sure I can still log in before logging out from all the root sessions.

    That’s it. Paranoia is your friend.

    BTW It can also be useful to have a spare login with it’s home on /var rather than /home, so you can log in remotely and them unmount /home.

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    Subject: The answers…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 23:15
    For the first, see the release notes.

    For the second, open two ssh sessions to the box and su to root. If you are ultra paranoid, start sash in both of them. Use one to dist-upgrade, and keep the other open and alive in case all hell breaks loose. Hopefully it won’t. =)

    Robster is a monkey

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    Subject: The gratitude.
    Author: crash
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 01:37
    Ah yes, the release notes … somehow I completely missed that one. How beginnerish of me. Thanks!

    Hmmm, the release notes says the recommended way of upgrading is via dselect. I have no problem with dselect, but why isn’t the same algorithms from dselect integrated in apt … or in some generic package management library, anybody? Just curious.

    Last time we did this (Sid->Potato) we had to do a lot of nasty bits ourselves (I’ve thankfully repressed most of it now), not only manual merging of all differing files in /etc, but stuff like iterating over dist-upgrade and upgrade for 20-30 times before all dependencies and services started OK again. Still I’d rather do it the Debian way than with any other OS!

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    Subject: Bloody Typical Isn’t It?!?
    Author: phill
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 19:33
    After waiting so long for a new release of Debian we get two of them inside 7 days!
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    Subject: Release dates ??
    Author: bluesmurf
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 16:48
    Hi.

    Does anyone know when Sarge is going to be released ??

    😉

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    Subject: 3.0r1 = 3.0r0 + jigdo-file 0.6.8
    Author: iotasmall
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 19:35
    I think jigdo-file 0.6.5 is badly needed to be replaced with 0.6.8

    Current situation doesn’t make very much sense.

    Cheers

    Chan Tai Man

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    Subject: RE: Release dates??
    Author: darthsidious
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 18:22
    Let me guess:
    When it’s ready?
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    Subject: Oh man, oh man…
    Do i got W
    Author: smurfd
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 13:14
    Oh man, oh man…
    Do i got Woody or what!
    (and i dont have the distribution, just jet!)

    / smurfd

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    Subject: ready – steady – woody
    Author: teenkitten
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 12:15
    found a cute image for the woody release:
    http://www.zapcartoons.com/reviews/images/toy.jpg

    and here you can find serge in action:
    http://lair2000.net/Toy_Story_pictures1a_downloads/Image17.jpg

    Your server software is being unfriendly
    — Error Message

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    Subject: re: ready – steady – woody
    Author: emissary47
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 12:35
    the woody & penguin pic (bigger size):
    http://lair2000.net/Toy_Story_pictures2a_download/Image46.jpg

    and for all sid users, “SID in action”:
    http://lair2000.net/Toy_Story_Pictures1b_Download/Image32.jpg
    http://lair2000.net/Toy_Story_Pictures1b_Download/Image33.jpg
    http://lair2000.net/Toy_Story_Pictures1b_Download/Image34.jpg
    http://lair2000.net/Toy_Story_Pictures1b_Download/Image35.jpg

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    Subject: THe hell has frozen!
    Author: elmig
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 11:09
    Woody is out, as said before:
    The hell as frozen and pigs are flying!
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    Subject: Very Coooolll !
    Author: fork
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 04:32
    I want to congratulate the Debian team for is good work. Even with a project that is very difficult to manage, you had done a very very good job.

    Thanks a lot and keep improving Debian !

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    Subject: New DP Icon
    Author: viqsi
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 03:40
    Now that Woody is released, I presume that DP is going to need a new icon for Sarge…
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    Subject: How kind of you…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 03:42
    To volunteer. Hope to see it in my inbox tomorrow morning. =)

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: New testing, and then? New unstable???….
    Author: thaly
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 02:22
    Hi everyone!

    I suppose that current sid is the base for the new testing/sarge branch. I just wonder, would that mean that what is now called “experimental” will be moved to unstable, or there will still be experimental packages?

    ~Thaly

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    Subject: nope
    Author: elanthis
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 23:35
    Experimental is not a complete distribution, like stable/testing/unstable. Experimental is just a very small set of packages. I.e., those that developers have made, but *know* they don’t belong in unstable, because they terribly break things, depend on packages that terribly break things, etc.

    What will happen is a lot of packages that were in experimental in order to not screw up the unstable->testing propogation (i.e. gnome2) will be moved into unstable, since they are now allowed to get propogated to testing.

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    Subject: No… no…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 02:27
    Currently testing is the same as stable, ie sarge is based on woody. Packages in sarge will be upgraded with versions from sid (which is still, and will always be, unstable) by the testing script when it resumes operation. Experimental will remain as it is, and will never replace unstable.

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    Subject: Packages in sarge will be
    Author: uberdork
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 03:44
    Packages in sarge will be upgraded with versions from sid by the testing script when it resumes operation.

    Just out of curiosity: when will that be? (days/weeks/months…)

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    Subject: Soon
    Author: joib
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 13:39
    I’d guess that the testing script will be in operation very soon, there’s no reason to hold it back. But even if it were operational right now, it still takes a few weeks before packages will begin to trickle down from unstable (that’s the entire purpose of the testing system).
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    Subject: There’s one reason…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 18:35
    The testing script (britney) ran yesterday on auric (the FTP master server, a dual Ultrasparc II with 1.5Gb RAM) and became so big that it used up all the virtual memory and caused an OOM condition and had to be killed (before the kernel knocked off anything more important than an rsync). I’m not sure what’s gonna be done to overcome this little hurdle, I guess it has a lot of scenarios to consider and packages to look at because it hasn’t been running for so long.

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    Subject: Eeek!
    Author: dreamsmith
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 23:09
    Here’s a thought so obvious I’m sure *someone* has tried it before — since Linux supports adding more swap space on the fly, couldn’t you have a daemon that just adds swap space automatically when you start running low? Has anyone tried or seen this anywhere? It should be easy to rig up — have a running Perl script that checks /proc/meminfo, for example, and if it’s running low, dd/mkswap/swapon some additional virtual memory (or for that matter, just have “britney” do it as it goes).
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    Subject: WOW! I just saw the BIG news …..
    Author: deek
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 02:21
    It’s Anthony’s Mum’s Birthday! Happy birthday, Mrs. Towns.

    I can’t speak for the rest of the Debian community, but I’m going to anyway … we all wish you the best on your birth day, and give Anthony a kiss on the cheek for us, for the big present he’s given everyone.

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    Subject: hopefully…
    Author: zadok
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 00:22
    the new testing is called sarge. Hopefully this will finally end any confusion

    hopefully this will end the toy story names =)

    Coops


    zadok.org.uk

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    Subject: Hell no…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 02:44
    Sarge is the first of a long line of names from Toy Story 2. =)

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    Subject: Toy Story 2 hell
    Author: jordi
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 03:38
    AFAIR, Sarge is a TS 1 character…
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    Subject: The Hurd?
    Author: SpyderMan
    Date: Friday, 2002/07/19 – 23:42
    What no Hurd? Guess they’re going to miss yet another release.. Christ knows they have years to prepare between each one, but decisions don’t really seem to be their thing.
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    Subject: Debian GNU/Hurd
    Author: d00d
    Date: Friday, 2002/07/19 – 23:50
    It will be released when it is time to.
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    Subject: No jigdo for a netinst ISO?
    Author: inkfox
    Date: Friday, 2002/07/19 – 23:39
    Seems if there’s a push for jigdo over huge ISOs, there should be a .jigdo file available for creating a net install ISO, as these are still quite large.

    Is there an unofficial stable netinstall .jigdo anywhere?

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    Subject: It doesn’t seem worth it…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 02:45
    The idea of a net install ISO is that it’s nice and small anyway.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: -rw-r–r– 1 ink ink
    Author: inkfox
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 03:11
    -rw-r–r– 1 ink ink 194510848 Jul 2 21:46 woody-i386-1.iso

    Not small. 🙂

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    Subject: Well…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 03:15
    I did choose to link to the cool one that had the base system debs on board, so you can net install a box that needs even ppp or pppoe to get on-line. I find it very handy and flexible. It even has ssh, postfix and one or two other bonuses. If you want a smaller netinst, poke about on the Debian CD pages, specifically in the netinst section.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: So…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Friday, 2002/07/19 – 23:33
    Guess Ian Jackson lost his bet then. All we need now is a prompt release of sarge to include:

    • GNOME 2
    • KDE 3
    • XFree86 4.2
    • GCC 3.1 on all architectures
    • Perl 5.8
    • ogg vorbis 1.0
    • PGI
    • OpenOffice.org
    • kernel 2.6?

    We should freeze within 6 months before too much breaks or new stuff gets released. =)

    Robster is a monkey

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    Subject: releasing sarge?
    Author: smonkey
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 15:40
    I keep hearing this… Has debian taken a more FreeBSD release approach: i.e. releasing stable and unstable as two seperate distributions…
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    Subject: Re: releasing sarge?
    Author: Thing
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 20:40
    No.

    “Releasing Sarge” Means the release of the very new testing branch (sarge) as stable, in a few months^Wyears^W^Wwhile from now, as Debian 3.1, or 4.0 or maybe 15.7 to jump ahead of the folks that are already up to 8.* 🙂

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    Subject: Re: releasing sarge?
    Author: SirEdward
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/07/23 – 20:25
    Maybe Linux distros should take a hint from MS and start versioning their releases by year rather than number.
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    Subject: sarge should plan on using GCC 3.2
    Author: JoeBuck
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 00:37
    sarge should plan on using GCC 3.2, not 3.1. To understand why see this message from the GCC release manager.

    As a GCC steering committee member, I’d also like to see Debian users and developers of the more “unusual” ports (those other than x86, ppc, and sparc) get more active on the gcc list, as Debian folks may be the only users and testers of some of these configurations. One way to delay releases is to wait until “upstream” has handed you a release before doing any testing!

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    Subject: Not is strange as it sounds
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 01:30
    I am guessing that the majority of the hard work (eg XF4.1, security and 11 architectures) has been done. Woody is now released! Yeeehaaahh!

    It would seem a lesser mountain to move, to move KDE3, XF4.2 and a few others into testing, and release “sarge” in a few months (rather than years) before it gets too big.

    I guess the delay with Woody, was the sheer size of the beast, the amount of architectures and just about every package was massively upgraded.

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    Subject: XFree86 4.2?
    Author: IkeTo
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 10:52
    Not 4.3?

    Well, I know that 4.2 porting is not exactly fun, hope that the platform dependencies of 4.3 won’t be worse than 4.2…

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    Subject: What is PGI?
    Author: matthijs
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 10:38
    What is PGI?
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    Subject: This is PGI
    Author: Quietti
    Date: Monday, 2002/07/22 – 11:54
    PGI is the installer from Progeny. It used to be a part of their own Debian fork, but is now developped as a separate project and should be included in Debian itself very soon. An ISO, which installs Woody using PGI was released by Branden, as a demo snapshot.
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    Subject: Re: What is PGI?
    Author: IkeTo
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 10:50
    The installer left-behind after Progeny stop developing a Debian derived distribution.
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    Subject: To be fair…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 18:38
    They are still developing it, and it rocks.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: that’d be nice
    Author: slimy
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 03:37
    Pissing in the wind and all but i’d love that too.

    Perhaps we don’t care though, so long as those thing get into sarge/testing i’d be happy.

    I look at stable as being of special interest to servers, that list is basically workstation stuff (pretty front end, newby installer and multimedia)…

    debian will provide.

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    Subject: Not the kernel…
    Author: cesarb
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 02:12
    I believe the 2.6 kernel will be released just after sarge is frozen 😉
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    Subject: Hhhm
    Author: robster
    Date: Friday, 2002/07/19 – 23:19
    why would everybody go on #debian when ogg vorbis 1.0 is released ?

    =)

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    Subject: Woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!
    It’s _FI
    Author: ejasucker
    Date: Saturday, 2002/07/20 – 02:38
    Woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!
    It’s _FINALLY_ released!!!
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    Subject: I second that
    Author: TekMate
    Date: Sunday, 2002/07/21 – 14:55
    Woohoo Thanks to everyone!!!
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