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    Red Hat 7 > Debian Part 2: X11
    Contributed by Anonymous on Friday, September 28 @ 13:53:10 BST

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    I 'm the guy who asked the question about moving from Red Hat to Debian. I got my cd today I was doing fine until I got to the installation questions about X11. I just can't get x to work... I need GNOME for apps. I am writing for work. Also I can't seem to find out how to get DHCP to work (cable internet, damn dynamic ip addresses). Now I see why everyone thinks the installation sucks it's like Red Hat 5.2 again (it wasn't that bad though). Every minute more I want apt get the more problems I encounter.

    DanielS: To be honest, more specifics are needed. For DHCP, apt-get instsll pump; edit /etc/network/interfaces, and have a line like "iface eth0 dhcp". I don't think anyone can help with the X problem until you say what you did, what's failing, etc.

     
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    Re: Red Hat 7 > Debian Part 2: X11 (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, September 28 @ 14:15:05 BST

    Most likely for the DHCP problem, you will need to have the following lines in your /etc/network/interfaces:

    iface eth0 inet dhcp

    hostname

    Also, I think that you need to have dhcpcd insead of pump in order for this to work. I don't think the pump in potato supports passing in the hostname, but try it with both.

    The hostname line is because many cable modem companies authenticate against the hostname.

    When you do an ifup eth0, use the --verbose switch to see what's happening.

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    Re: Red Hat 7 > Debian Part 2: X11 (Score: 1, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Friday, September 28 @ 18:15:54 BST

    Some probably very obvious comments:

    A well known trade off with Debian is stablity vs. more recent versions of software. The setup scripts for Woody and SID query you as to whether or not you want to use DHCP. Both scripts have correctly configured my system when the DHCP server was either a DSL router or a Linksys router I installed later to handle growth of my network (given my Windows background I have a nearly compulsive need to re-install OSes to try out new features. A known character flaw). Choosing either of these versions of Debian would also get you more current versions of both GNOME and X by default, which might fix the very vague problems you are listing. Granted, Woody or SID usually require becoming versed in apt-get, but, I have found, apt-get is far superior to any RPM based update feature that either Mandrake or RH has devised. Once you get used to it, and its robustness, its hard to accept the argument that fancy GUIs are needed or that RPM comes close to providing the same functionality (and remember, I come from a Windows background, not a Unix background.)

    Without understanding all that you are trying to accomplish, going to either Woody or SID would probably get you closer to the RH 7.x versions of software you are used to and might solve some of your problems.

    Things that would help in your decision making process: what version of X do you need? What version of the kernel do you need (2.2.x or 2.4.x)? What version of GNOME do you need? What version of other software do you need? The answers to these questions will determine which version (Potato, Woody or SID) to use and how much manual setup you will need to go through to get Debian to the state that you want. After this exercise you may decide that a very legitimate scenario for you may be that you would be happier with either Mandrake or RH.

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    Re: Red Hat 7 > Debian Part 2: X11 (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, September 28 @ 21:46:30 BST

    Hmm, are you sure you're on DHCP, or do you need PPPoE?

    Heiko

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    DHCP - READ THIS (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, September 28 @ 22:14:33 BST

    I have a toshiba cable modem and my hostname has to be passed in order to work.

    After many hours scratching my head trying to make "pump" work (and yes, pump can pass a hostname), I tried the older dhcpcd - works like a charm. Otherwise, the comments above concerning your /etc/network/interfaces file stands.

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    GNOME (Score: 0, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Friday, September 28 @ 22:21:33 BST

    Probably you want to run potato, not woody. Unstable is not for newbies at all. Don't even try.

    Potato, however, has a lot of outdated stuff, especially with regard to gnome. Potato's gnome is ancient.

    One solution, and the one I use, is to use helix gnome for potato. It works great, and I would try this over using woody.

    You just need to add the right lines (you can get them from http://www.ximian.com) to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt away (or use red carpet).

    KDE2 for potato can be apt-ed from http://kde.tdyc.com. The right apt lines are there.

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    • Re: GNOME by DanielS on Saturday, September 29 @ 00:47:40 BST
      • Re: GNOME by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 02:24:47 BST
        • Re: GNOME by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 13:48:32 BST
    • Re: GNOME by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 06:02:09 BST
    • Re: GNOME by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 08:24:28 BST

    Re: Red Hat 7 > Debian Part 2: X11 (Score: 2, Informative)
    by Tor on Friday, September 28 @ 22:46:15 BST
    (User Info) http://slett.net/

    To get X working, do the following (this presumes at least "woody"/index.html"testing" - go for "sid"/index.html"unstable" if you are a real man):

    apt-get install xserver-xfree86
    dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86

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    Re: change you shoes (pump) (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 13:45:59 BST

    I use a cable modem on my debain FW/etc box, and never got pump to work.. Nor do I know of anyone else on BlueYonder (UK). (it has it only private linux newsgroup).

    As other posts have stated switching to dhcpcd works without problems, just mod /etc/network/interfaces.

    You all know why pump is called pump don't ya??

    *warning BAD geek joke coming*

    Because it uses the bootp protocol!!

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