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    Boot Messages
    Contributed by smonkey on Saturday, September 29 @ 00:42:24 BST

    Ask Debianplanet
    Last night I booted my box to Redhat 7.1 instead of Debian unstable (I have both on my system). It got me thinking while watching the boot sequence: Why doesn't Debian use some similar technique of showing a green OK if the init.d script loads properly or a red failed if the script fails? Functionally Debian's current method of showing the name of the program started or some informative text works great. But I tend to like things that are visually easy to understand or beautiful. Don't get me wrong, I have been using Debian for years. It is a well thought out and put together OS... It is just not plesent to look at, at times. For example, the GNOME packages are more or less the stock, there don't appear to be many visual Debian customizations to the package. Would it really hurt to show some Debian pride and polish some of those interfaces? What do you think?

     
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    Re: Boot Messages (Score: 1)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 02:15:24 BST

    There was a thread a while back on -devel about defining an interface for init.d scripts to return a success/failure value, so that the calling package could optionally do this.

    Whatever happened to that?

    Daniel

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    Re: Boot Messages (Score: 1)
    by MrCooper on Saturday, September 29 @ 03:47:30 BST
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    I have wondered many times about something related: why don't we have a log of those messages, like e.g. SuSE does? Or am I just missing it?

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    Re: GNOME (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 04:49:39 BST

    I think GNOME polishments should be done in GNOME itself, not by every distribution that distributes it.

    So I'd like to see, for example, a gnome-core-1.4.1.1 with the patches from Ximian and Red Hat instead of having the patches in the Ximain package, in the Red Hat package, in the Debian package, etc.

    (some patches from Red Hat have been accepted already and you can use the gnome-core-1-4 branch).

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    Two different questions in one article (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 07:53:36 BST

    Question 1: What to do about startup messages?

    I haven't messed with other distributions much, so I haven't the basis of comparison, but capturing boot console info that isn't logged already is a good start. Having an easy way to see what failed, if anything, would also be nice. Making pretty pictures and colors out of it is completely unnecessary. Presenting the information should be separated from getting it. If the info is logged somewhere sane (/var/log/console?) and has a consistant format, then it would be easy to write tools for VARIOUS UIs. The GUI-security-blanket crowd could have their hierarchy of startup info displayed with green and red icons, or perhaps an interface that looks like the Windows System Control Panel. People who administrate many servers remotely with no interest in color text could use grep /var/log/console. 🙂

    Question 2: What to do about customizing upstream packages to be Debian-tastic.

    One of Debian's greatest strengths is how little it changes packages. The changes that are made are often the minimum changes needed to conform to policy. This is great! It makes debugging much easier. 🙂 A better solution to the customization impulse would be a kind of theme system that goes beyond window managers and widget sets. SystemThemes which supply default answers to various default questions. For example, a package could query the theme engine for the file corresponding to "16x16 icon representing the distribution". Theme writers could write themes for programs they don't even have, and programs written for this engine would immediately benefit (more or less) from the work of the theme authors.

    There are a lot of technical issues to deal with, but Debian has surmouted bigger challenges (libc upgrades...shudder).

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    Re: Boot Messages (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 09:48:52 BST

    For anyone who wants a graphic boot instead of system messages might find the linux progesss patch interesting (lpp). It can move all your messages to a different tty, so that you can still retrieve them as you boot. Is has a range of boot screens to suit many tastes. And includes a progess bar, telling you where it's up to in booting.

    H

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    Re: Boot Messages -What boot Messages?? (Score: 2, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 @ 13:39:20 BST

    Why do you need petty boot messages??.. Your running debian.. It only happens once!

    232 days uptime and counting 🙂

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