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    Goodbye Progeny Debian
    Contributed by Anonymous on Monday, October 15 @ 19:13:51 BST

    "As of October 1,2001 Progeny has ceased development on its Progeny Debian product; there will be no further releases of the product, and all direct sales of the product will end October 15, 2001. " Full story here.

    rob: This is one sad day for the Debian community, Progeny the hope, the saviour. Hopefully after these harsh economic times are over, another Progeny will be born.

    DanielS: They're not dead; see my comments in the Full Story.

    Netsnipe: Users with good memories will remember that we reported
    back in August that Progeny had ceased development on their Network
    of Workstations
    (NOW) project and earlier this month Libranet was
    their operations. In light of these recent events, how bright
    does the future to Corel's sucessor, Xandros,
    Perhaps Progeny will start a trend that we are currently seeing
    with Ximian (GNOME) and Transgaming (WineX) in corporations providing
    customisations along with commercial support to distributions based
    upon the requests and demands of paying customers.

    Speaking to LinuxPlanet (no relation to us), Steve Schafer, Progeny's CEO has indicated that Progeny is now aiming to become the "Norton Utilities of Debian" while at the same time shifting more of its business focus towards consulting services.

    DanielS: Progeny are not, however, dead. They won't sell Progeny again; instead, they're concentrating on improving Debian proper. They figured that everything that they did was going into Debian anyway, and customers were asking for Debian, so why keep a fork around? This will probably end up being better for Debian, because developers will be paid to work on Debian, and only Debian.

    Netsnipe: Back in November
    last year, I forshadowed this in "Blurring
    the Line Between Pure Debian and its Commercial Variants"
    ; where I
    suggested that third party developers should directly release their
    customisations directly into mainstream Debian tree commercially
    instead of forcing a time lapse upon those who insist on using
    officially released Debian GNU/Linux packages. I commented that "This scenario would
    allow third-party vendors to still profit from providing specialty
    support for their separately developed software, and at the same time
    be associated as benefactors of the Debian GNU/Linux project."

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  • "Goodbye Progeny Debian" | Login/Create Account | 23 comments

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    No more Progeny Debian, But Progeny Continues (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, October 15 @ 19:15:53 BST

    My understanding is that Progeny will no longer have a distro, but will continue as a company and contribute to Debian. Perhaps some good will come out of this and the advantages of Progeny (such as installation) could be integrated into Debian?

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    Re: No more Progeny (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, October 15 @ 19:17:34 BST

    Hmmmm... no more updates... I guess I'll never get past that buggy install, now. *sigh*

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    Die gracefully please ! (Score: 0, Flamebait)
    by Lovechild on Monday, October 15 @ 19:29:21 BST
    (User Info)

    May you rest in peaces... I never really believed in Progeny, mostly because it wasn't really all that good - a buggy install, troublesome debs for KDE, nearly no updates...

    If ya all fell the need to believe in a real savior, then why not pick Libranet?

    Hell, let's face it, there is no money in producting GNU/Linux distros.

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 1, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Monday, October 15 @ 21:08:14 BST

    This isn't exactly a shocker...

    Man what's up with the editor's comment? "The hope, the saviour"?

    What an editor at a site called debian planet doesn't have any faith in debian being a successful distro without going commercial?

    What exactly was the hope? That some guy would make alot of money off debian?

    The saviour from what? Slow ass release schedules?

    heh, i donno about this site....

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by quarterbooty on Monday, October 15 @ 22:12:21 BST
    (User Info)

    i never gave progeny a try. i was always meaning to. i guess i thought like all of their customers. might as well use original debian instead of a derivative.

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    heh (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, October 15 @ 23:20:15 BST

    I'm reminded of Monty Pythons Search for the Holy Grail.

    You get nervous with Linux companies cutting back and filing chapter 11 and plain going broke. It's good that Progeny is not infact dead.

    Perhaps one thing that made a difference was the testing branch to Debian. It was not there when Progeny started and everyone realised that we needed something like that.

    Anyways... I just didn't want to miss another opportunity to make a monty python reference.

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 1)
    by kojo on Tuesday, October 16 @ 01:49:12 BST
    (User Info)

    Hmm...I just ordered the 4 Progeny disks (2 Install, 2 Source)from LinuxCentral. I got them Tuesday. Haven't installed them yet.

    Sort of sad to see them go, but then, they're not really "gone".

    I should get around to installing Progeny this weekend. I'll let you know what I think.

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 1)
    by andrel on Tuesday, October 16 @ 04:17:23 BST
    (User Info)

    Linux Planet has a nice article about Progeny's retreat from the distro biz. The most interesting bit is that they've been doing some contract work for HP and some anonymous web-hosting companies, but it also has an interesting section on what's required to put out a boxed distro.

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 16 @ 09:00:06 BST

    It's a good thing. Look what Ximian have done to Gnome? It pulled most active programmers and then have them spent all their time on red-carpet, mono, and other ximian tools (visions). The progress on Gnome itself is slow down to crawl.

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 1)
    by Caoilte on Tuesday, October 16 @ 10:49:57 BST
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    as long as branden has time to keep up his excellent work on X I'll be happy. Seriously, what more have we been getting from progeny?

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 1)
    by rob on Tuesday, October 16 @ 17:57:06 BST
    (User Info)

    Just to set the record straight, the article is talking about Progeny Debian (the product) rather than Progeny the company.

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    Re: Goodbye Progeny Debian (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, October 18 @ 06:38:23 BST

    I installed Progeny on two machines: It sucked.

    Debian is much better

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