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    Using unstable as pretty stable
    Contributed by Anonymous on Thursday, October 25 @ 08:17:42 BST

    Package Management
    Often, to take full advantage of bleeding edge hardware, the latest packages (like X) are neededand that are not in stable or testing. I ran unstable for a while now, but frequently a package breaks.It would be better to apt-get upgrade all packages that are older than 3 days. This way, the latest -minus 3 days- packages are installed and the broken ones kept out because most critical problems are fixed within 3 days.
    Is there an easy way of doing this?

    DanielS: And, uh, how would this be different to testing?

     
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    Re: Using unstable as pretty stable (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, October 25 @ 10:45:06 BST

    I thought it takes several weeks until a package in sid goes into testing? It definately isn't there after 3 days already.

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    Re: Using unstable as pretty stable (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, October 25 @ 12:24:15 BST

    So I guess this sort of feature won't become available in stores near me anytime soon...

    I still think it's pretty easy to implement (too hard for myself although) for a experienced programmer. First, put every package on hold, then start apt-get update. Then compare the dates of the current installed package and the latest available package. If the dates differ at least 3 days, the hold can be released on that package.

    Is this working?

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    Re: Using unstable as pretty stable (Score: 2, Insighful)
    by slymole on Thursday, October 25 @ 13:29:31 BST
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    I've been running sid on my main (developer) box since last February; it wouldn't be that tragic for packages to break on that machine, but I try to avoid it: other servers take their cues from it when updating their setup. I never apt-get upgrade, just apt-get update every Monday, take a peek at newsgroups and Debian Planet to see if any packages are broken, and judiciously apply updates with the help of apt-listchanges. Depending on required stability, some packages are always held (at least, until the next major revision comes along). It's a haphazard system, but I find it works: I've avoided some major breakages from PAM and X, and I get all the benefits of running unstable.

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    Re: Using unstable as pretty stable (Score: 2, Insighful)
    by freelsjd on Thursday, October 25 @ 15:30:41 BST
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    I use Sid/unstable on two Intel machines: my desktop at work and home that only I depend on. I use Woody/testing on production Intel and Alpha machines that other folks depend on. I have never seen a Woody problem. As far as I am concerned, it is stable. Occasionally, a Sid/Unstable problem comes up. I usually upgrade my home machine first. If there is a problem, I don't upgrade the work machine until I can fix it or a newer package is installed. In the last six months, this has only happened twice.

    I upgraded to Sid because I wanted KDE2.2.1, X4.1, etc.

    I upgraded to Woody because I wanted reiserfs, newer kernels, greater security, etc.

    I have no complaints.

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    NO Don't do THAT!! (Score: 1)
    by d8A90n (justcantkeepmyhandsoff@myself.com) on Thursday, October 25 @ 19:27:38 BST
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    Did anybody realize that if a feature like that is implemented in apt-get then most people will use it, probably in fact all people who are sane, and then bug reports won't come in after 3 days later so packages will remain broke for 3 days and then people are going to say: "Let's extend that to 6 day!!" etc. etc. etc.

    There is a reason why it's called UNSTABLE! If you're pissed at packages breaking, then run stable. Otherwise live with it and read debian-devel before doing `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`

    -Dragon

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    Re: Using unstable as pretty stable (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, October 26 @ 08:25:58 BST

    Anyone who constantly upgrades all packages from unstable deserve what they get.

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    Re: Using unstable as pretty stable (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, October 29 @ 01:23:35 GMT

    What someone really needs to do is build a bug tracking system into apt, so that people can report the stability of debs. Think of it like the "warning level" on instant messanger. You get to know how unstable a package is. Maybe the mainters could just report this. A little more complex, but interesting long term results.

    -carson-

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    • debian-devel by d8A90n on Tuesday, October 30 @ 20:55:50 GMT

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