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    Woody's install process
    Contributed by Anonymous on Saturday, October 27 @ 07:16:42 BST

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    Does anyone know what improvements are happening to the Debian install for when Woody goes stable? I'm praying for things like hardware detection and a GUI install option. It'll be pretty sad if the Woody install doesn't include some of these features since they've been in several other distros for many revisions now. It makes Debian look outdated.

    DanielS: There'll be nothing really radical in woody's installer, which will still be based on the standard boot-floppies. The real radical rewrite will come with debian-installer (no link ATM as www.debian.org is down).

     
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    Re: Woody's install process (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, October 27 @ 08:13:29 BST


    I've asked the same question in the debian-it mailing list, where are subscribed some debian developers...

    I'm agree with you but unfortunatley a lot of debian are not of the same opinion (and i think a lot of debian-dev).

    Some people say that graphic installer&c wouldn't be useful in a distro that support a lot of arch ecc... I say that if a graphical installer, hw detect&c would be used (asking if the user want graphic or text frontend) debian will gain a lot of user.

    When i speak about debian with some person the reply is always the same "yes it's great but .... it's very difficult".

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    something like sun web start ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, October 27 @ 08:25:58 BST

    I know since solaris 2.6 sun has something called 'WebStart'

    you configure the network interface a web server starts and you partition the disk and choose packages all through a graphical workstation somewhere on the network.

    Just an idea, would be alot simpler to impliment (maybe).

    just my 2cents worth...

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    Re: Woody's install process (Score: 1, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, October 27 @ 14:07:55 BST

    I don't think a graphical install will be a good idea.

    *You can make a easy console installation, i remember the redhat 5.2 install, it was very easy and without bugs. I don't want to install X or the frame buffer for just the installation of debian on a server. Installation is not a common task, you did it just one time !

    The beauty of a graphical install is not important and the easy of use is not better than a console install.

    You can use the mouse in console with gpm if you don't like tab + enter.

    *If a graphical install is developped, there will be a duplication of work because a console install is necessary. I think it's more important to improve the hardware detection and the easy of the install with good explanations in differents languages than to make just a pretty install.

    sorry for my bad english

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    Re: Woody's install process (Score: 1, Insighful)
    by shredwheat on Saturday, October 27 @ 16:47:24 BST
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    it seems like enhancing debconf would be an ideal solution here. it already supports so many display frontends.

    i'm not sure what types of options it would require to handle the full debian install, but it seems like it would make the installer even more flexible, since it would allow for many types of installation modes. from noninteractive to web (remote install?)

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    And the hardware auto-detection? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, October 27 @ 20:50:20 BST


    Graphical installation is very pretty, but is the same of console interface + gpm, and it has the advantage of run in other plataforms.

    But, the hardware autodetection is a great idea...

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    Re: Woody's install process (Score: 1, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, October 28 @ 11:18:53 GMT

    There's two answers to this question.

    1) If the user cannot navigate a simple text-based install process, how do you expect them to install and configure a GUI environment in order to get a GUI interface?

    2) Debian is run by volunteers, its not a greedy profit-hungry corporation like Microsoft^H^H^HRedhat so the reason there is no GUI install process is because YOU have not written one.

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    Re: Woody's install process (Score: 1)
    by Col_Panic on Monday, October 29 @ 23:23:49 GMT
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    I would like to echo the sentiment of many other commenters in saying hardware autodetect, GOD YES PLEASE. As far as graphical install... I agree it would be a nice thing. I dont think I would use a graphical install, but what the hell is wrong with putting it there for people who would. We all know that if we could manage to include graphical install that there would most certainly be a text only option.


    I am very dismayed and quite frankly disgusted with those with the attitude of "if you can't use the cryptic difficult Debian install, you are a worthless slug and don't deserve to use it at all, off with you to Red Hat you pathetic newbie, let your vile presence never again disturb our sacred space!" OK so I exaggerate, slightly. I have seen a lot of this sort of attitude, that of you must be of a certain level of technical proficiency to be admitted into the "club", that we don't can't won't and shouldn't care about anyone who doesn't have a certain level of technical proficiency. This sort of attitude is just plain wrong for so many different reasons.

    First of all, it is a slap in the face of the values that Free Software claims to adhere. With this sort of elitist attitude, we move from software with a price barrier to software with a knowledge barrier. With the downfall of all of the Debian based commercial distros, which all had graphical interfaces, there exists no point of entry for new users into the Debian world. At least before I could tell some one "start off with Progeny" or something. With the attitude the developers have now, a person new to computers or new to Linux would be told, either directly or indirectly "go away, you aren't good enough to use Debian" and so they don't... probably now with the impression of Debian as a bunch of elistist snoody assholes... and where any new user to get a response that was even half as harsh as what most of the "dont put a graphical install" people have said here, then the label would be justly earned.


    By raising the knowledge level so high, you are pretty much insuring that no new users will ever start with Debian. Having started with one of the Red Hat derived distros, they will probably stick with it from there on out. Thus all that has been accomplished is keeping the number of Debian users from increasing and making sure that Red Hat type systems and all their ickiness continue to become the "standard".


    I have friends that want to use Linux. Many have heard about what XP is like and they are saying "OK, they have gone WAY too far, I can't handle it anymore" and know I am a Linux geek. "Can you show me how to install Linux, Mark? I want to learn!" and I know there is no way in hell that I can use Debian, the one true and pure form of GNU/Linux (you know it is pure cause it the only one that has that confusing "GNU" thing ahead of it) with these people who eagerly want to learn... so I have to give them some lesser form.


    Get a clue you elitest snobs. FREE means so much more than your narrow definition. Free isn't free if free means "free to those with a degree in computer science, or equivalent." There are many many people out there who are not computer experts, but want to use Debian because they feel that the principles (at least the nice lofty ones Debian claims to have) are in accord with their own personal beliefs. They want to become part of that community, but no the developers say ,"no fuck you, you aren't good enough, what are you going to give US!". Yeah, sit back and scratch your head and wonder what this hypothetical "Free" stuff is ... So what you are really saying is free if you can give something back which we find acceptable.


    In their blind ignorance and arrogance, they can't see the value of people like Rev Andrew Summers, a good friend of mine who has spent his entire life working for justice and came to me wanting a computer free of software from a monopoly. What possible value could this person, who can barely double click, be to Debian. Now, I shouldn't have

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