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    XFree86 4.2.0
    Contributed by d8A90n on Wednesday, January 23 @ 20:48:48 GMT

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    Re: XFree86 4.2.0 (Score: 3, Insighful)
    by evileyez on Wednesday, January 23 @ 22:26:53 GMT
    (User Info)

    The guy asked an honest question, evening saying he attempted to find the solution in the proper venues. Yes, X is a complicated package to work with and we all appreciate what Branden is able to accomplish, in any length of time. But I felt there was no reason for the comment by rob.

    Leave the poor guy alone rob, he is only asking a question he couldn't find an answer to after looking first.

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    Compiling yourself? (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 23 @ 23:10:53 GMT

    I posted something on slashdot about it being hard to compile and install X but several people said it was a simple "make world; make install" type thing.

    I don't know that this is true but you could try it.

    I'm interested in how it works if you do.

    (btw the proper thing would be to create a .deb or something and install that instead of using the make install)


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    Re: XFree86 4.2.0 (Score: 5, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 23 @ 23:19:40 GMT

    I'm beginning to find Debian packagers the most unfriendly and unhelpful people around.

    I appreciate the work they do. I appreciate the FAQs they get asked every 5 seconds.

    I don't appreciate their smart arse comments and jibes at all.

    They have chosen to be package maintainers.

    They can also choose not to respond to emails which they think are frivolous and answered in the FAQ/email archive.

    IMHO, if they are sick of answering a question, then don't reply. People will find out for themselves if no replies are forthcoming, or other people on the list will reply.

    If maintainers do reply, it would be nice if they indicated where the 'newbie' could find further references to the subject, and not be an absolute bastard about the whole thing.

    Maintainers, if you feel like flaming, don't reply. The clueless user will find a way to get the answer without your totally useless and aggravating reply. All you are doing by replying in the manner that I have witnessed so often recently is to piss off new users who may have actually started using debian, who now feel that the whole thing is way too 'out of their league' to be bothered with.

    I believe the whole point of Debian is to make a usable system for non-technical people. Let's either encourage newbies, direct them to the appropriate place, or refrain from flaming them. Surely, you package maintainers are so busy maintaining packages that you don't have time to reply to emails with flames? Just let them go, they'll be sorted out by other active participants on the list.


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    Re: XFree86 4.2.0 (Score: 2, Informative)
    by d8A90n ( on Thursday, January 24 @ 03:04:28 GMT
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    I didn't mean this post to generate so much flame. The reason why I posted this here instead of debian-devel is because I knew Branden would be too busy to reply and I'd get the usual "it'll arrive when it'll arrive." type of answer.

    As for the reason behind wanting to know when it'll be packaged, or if it is in progress, or any bit of information on the status of 4.2.0 is that, as you probably read in the post, I bought a Radeon 7500 and put it in my box. The vesa driver is simply put _painful_ and if I can know if it'll take 2-3 weeks or more then I'll go back to my ATI 3D Rage Pro 8MB which is actually faster in X because it is supported. If it's going to come out next week then I'll put up with the vesa drivers and wait for the release.

    I don't intend to put any pressure whatsoever on Branden or anyone else responsible for packaging 4.2.0. I actually appreciate the X-Strike Force's work a lot and respect them. I just wanted to know a very loose timeframe as to when it'll be ready for sid.

    Cheer up, life IS beautiful. Especially if your running Debian :o)

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    I need it. (Score: 1)
    by danne (danne at on Thursday, January 24 @ 06:55:16 GMT
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    I and about 10 000 people whit old pentiums have waited for a release like this becouse of the old S3 driver. It is a very common card in old low-end systems.

    And old XF86_* servers beginning to be obsolete.

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    Use ChipId rewrite (was Re: XFree86 4.2.0) (Score: 5, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, January 24 @ 09:58:38 GMT

    You can get the RADEON 7500 card to work with XFree86 4.1.0 by using the ChipID rewriting option of XFree86. Just add the following to your device section:

    Option "ChipId 0x5159"

    and select the radeon driver.

    I am using my RADEON since end of November happily with this option. Ok, the real 7500 support in 4.2.0 might give you better performance i.e. for 3D but the ChipId rewrite provides already very good results. At least MUCH better results than the VESA or FB driver.

    And then I am sure that you can easily wait until 4.2.0 hits Debian Unstable...


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    New user feelings (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, January 24 @ 11:00:37 GMT


    I do not contribute to Linux, I do not contribute to Debian. Frankly I don't have time. I do however advocate Linux at work and everywhere I go. I am already responsible for 100s of people switching over to Linux.

    The main selling points are stability and (more importantly) user support.

    I endlessly brag about the quick feedback from the developers, the personal one to one you get through ICQ etc.

    I remember once when people who distributed Linux actually enjoyed interaction with the users. Unforunately it now seems that there are certain criteria placed upon people before they can ask.

    Why is it that I read more and more about developers getting arsy with their customers?

    All you are doing is shooting yourself in the foot and loosing not only newbies, but oldies as well.

    I understand that it is purely a volunteer effort, but if you genuinely want Linux to succeed you have to embrace the users, not alienate them.

    How am I supposed to recommend to an MD of a 1100 strong company that they can take on Linux because the support network is much stronger then commmercial offerings if the first time they post an article they get flamed?

    Think about it. You can either go into your little clique and moan about how nobody appreciates all the hard work and in a few years dissapear back into the realm of techies or you can continue making progress into the commercial world by treating people as people and not people who are invading your time, even though they are 🙂

    I think it is time that people wake up and realise what they have to do in order to cut it in the real commercial world.

    BTW I love Debian, and have never recommended anything else but you guys are working against me getting it adopted in the real commercial world.

    Please don't respond in flame. I am not having a go at anyone, I am just telling you how it comes across to outsiders.


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    Re: XFree86 4.2.0 (Score: 2, Informative)
    by d8A90n ( on Thursday, January 24 @ 14:16:32 GMT
    (User Info)

    I would just like to point out a friendly fact:

    Two (2) people (only) actually replied to my post in a useful way:

    -1. One guy pointed out that the package won't come out for at least a month or two; which is fine by me. I wasn't push going going to get angry. I know almost all Debian developpers do packaging in their spare time and it's fine by me.

    -2. Another person mentionned a MUCH better workaround than using the vesa driver.

    I'm now running XFree86 with the radeon driver (using the chipId workaround) and it's making me happier than a fish in water. I have accelerated X (better than my old Rage Pro card) and I don't have to switch back to my old card.

    I only asked about #1 but #2 came in really handy . Thanks a lot to whoever helped (anonymous posts :o! )


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    Re: XFree86 4.2.0 (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, January 25 @ 00:42:18 GMT

    I got a little impatient waiting for X 4.0 to enter unstable becuase of course that was a massive improvement over 3.3.6, a really major improvement...

    But 4.2.0 really doesn't strike me as all that amazing...what's the big rush...

    Unless you have one of the obsolete/obscure cards that just got support added i don't see what the big hurry is anyways...

    Althoug it is nice to see the updates to the nv driver so now the free software fundamentalists can stop declareing a jihad on anyone who bought a geforce...heh...

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    Re: XFree86 4.2.0 (Score: 1)
    by CraHan on Saturday, January 26 @ 14:04:23 GMT
    (User Info)

    Well, being the not so proud owner of a Trident CyberbladeXP, I was forced to revert to the framebuffer driver in xfree 4.1. I followed the changelog for 4.2 from day to day, seeing that the trident driver got some major updating so I was glad when it was finally released. Now, I really couldn't wait another month or so to finally use the new support for it so I decided to take a chance and install the binaries from the xfree86 ftp. Well whaddaya know 🙂 Worked like a charm, I now have awesome graphics (in comparison to my framebuffer period) and I can finally start using the laptop for more graphical stuff. So if you are so impatient for the deb files, take a chance and install the binaries yourself.

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    Re: XFree86 4.2.0 (Score: 1)
    by DanielS on Sunday, January 27 @ 12:32:02 GMT
    (User Info)

    Branden has updated the X Strike Force as only he can - blunt, to the point, slightly abusive, and full of colourful language.

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