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    Hands-on Debian GNU guide
    Contributed by docelic on Sunday, February 17 @ 19:19:53 GMT

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    A new guide has been written aimed at those who have got over the first hurdle of installing Debian GNU and now need help with some of the more general Linux/Unix commands and methodology as well as some specialist Debian material. The author is looking for feedback on his work.

     
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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 1)
    by CaptainSegfault on Sunday, February 17 @ 21:09:08 GMT
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    - What exactly is UNIX and what is Linux? UNIX represents a group of superior OSs and is a generic name for a variety of operating systems (such as Solaris, Digital Unix, SCO, BSD etc... and there are plenty of other variants (see www.ugu.com - Unix Guru Universe)). Great majority of those are proprietary systems owned by respective commercial companies (such as Sun, Hewlett Packard etc...). What they all have in common is the original UNIX codebase derived from AT&T.[emphasis mine] There are currently 2 main UNIX branches: System V and BSD (but read more on it elsewhere). Linux was written from scratch ('from zero') by Linus Torvalds and was one of the first free Unix variants (nowadays there are also three popular free BSD variants: NetBSD, FreeBSD and OpenBSD).

    As I understand it, although BSD originally was based on the AT&T codebase, they eventually replaced all of it, so this bit is slightly misleading. Minor, of course, but worth comment.

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    just to pimp my own content 🙂 (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, February 17 @ 22:25:35 GMT

    a fairly good into to apt-get and friends. it's more of a command reference then tutorial but it's been pretty useful for the friends i've had learning debian.

    http://www.spack.org/index.cgi/AptHelp

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    It's not terribly readable ... (Score: 1)
    by xm (mike(a)vee.net) on Monday, February 18 @ 04:28:14 GMT
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    ... because you've got tags everywhere.

    Here's a clue: people choose a particular font size for their browsers because that is the size at which they are comfortable reading text. Hence by making the font size of your text smaller, you've deliberately made your document harder to read. To a person with a sight impediment, it may be completely unreadable.

    Anyway, font tags are evil and must be purged from all HTML documents, immediately.

    Fix the size of your text so I don't have to squint at it to read it, then I'll do so and give some constructive criticism of the actual content

    Mike.

    PS: DP, stop munging the size of your fonts as well! Scheesh.

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, February 18 @ 07:17:20 GMT

    To create and manage firewalls I suggest mentioning fwbuilder. It's a very nice tool but it's only available in woody and sid.

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, February 18 @ 09:15:11 GMT

    Like most guides the focus of your guide is on installing Debian. Useful would also be a small paragraph on maintaining your system: i.e.the occasional 'apt-get update/upgrade', debfoster, crufting, some pointers for new software (also dselect gives a 'newly available' section).

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 1)
    by danne (danne at simila.myip.org) on Monday, February 18 @ 10:18:26 GMT
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    Not bad, not bad at al. I've been using Debian like two years or so and that guid could have helpt me a bit on the road. If i had read it.

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, February 18 @ 19:51:11 GMT

    Hi Davor,

    I am new to both Debian and Linux, I've done my first install less than a month ago.

    Many parts of your guide are useful for me, so I guess I'll print them tonight. Thanks!

    However, there are some things I need to learn that are missing from the guide. For example, introduction to iptables and ssh, their installation and setup would be very useful.

    Hvala lijepa!

    -- Kirill

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, February 18 @ 21:46:33 GMT

    With a sentence like this:

    "What I tried here is to give you a quick start with Debian by answering most of newbie questions and discovering you little hints of major masters :). "

    It is obvious you are not a native English speaker.

    The use of "discovering you" is completely wrong and makes little sense.

    You probably mean "showing you".

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 19 @ 02:05:46 GMT

    Nice tutorial!

    although the command didn't work for me.

    I've got more problems like that..

    for example ctrl-alt-- of ctrl-alt-+ in X to switch resolution. Probably my laptop...

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 1)
    by jarv on Tuesday, February 19 @ 13:27:08 GMT
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    I don't see how knowing what RMS stands for is as important to knowing what the term "binary" means for a newbie user. Its a good guide though, very challenging make a simple concise document that covers all the bases in a new debian install.

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 19 @ 18:29:02 GMT

    Looks nice, but as some one that has had to support hundreds of end users on Linux and other systems, I don't think that this guide would be useful for 99% of those users. For the NASA rocket scientist I know, sure. For everyone else, this guide would go into stuff that most users aren't gonna need. Yeah, I guess if some one actually managed to install Debian with its intimidating installer then they would be interested in command line tutorials. You have to remember that for people that have come from a graphical environment, Apple, Windows, etc, the first thing they need to know about is navigating around in the graphical environment. New users need to know how to use this FIRST. You have to get them comfortable with that before they will feel ready to venture too deeply into The Dark Place. This guide instead starts with a long political correctness rant then dives into more command line information than a newbie wants to hear about, then only at the end does it mention "oh you can use a graphical interface too" but never really tells you how to use it. You can't write guides like this assuming that everyone is going to use the system the same way you are. Engineers moving from Solaris sure. Joe Average user, no. If I told a new user to type ps uax then kill blah blah... rather than to use gtop, they would insist that Linux was too complex.

    This guide is less of a help to new users than it is a political correctness guide to the new user. We shall indoctrinate you to our way of doing things. If you want to REALLY be helpful to a new user, explain things to them in ways that are familiar to them NOT with the command line way of everything and leave the political correctness rants to the footnotes.

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    Re: Hands-on Debian GNU guide (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, March 01 @ 16:19:09 GMT

    One thing missing that seems to trip a lot of new users up is mounting floppies/cdroms/zip drives - you mention mounting win volumes, but you might want to explictly talk about removable media...especially if automount doesn't get configured. *snoc*

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