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    What do you want to see in Hurd ?
    Contributed by Anonymous on Saturday, June 30 @ 08:39:38 BST

    GNU/HURD
    There has been much discussion going on about what should be included in woody and its install discs, but what about Hurd? What package/feature do you want to see in Hurd? What improvement from Linux do you want in hurd ? Do you think it will be stable and released some day? What is the release schedule for Hurd?

    I think there are more questions than answers concerning Hurd!

    Netsnipe (Update 01Jul01 03:39GMT): In what would be a blow to most Debian GNU/Hurd advocates, Anthony
    Towns, the Debian Release Manager has just announced his opinion that
    Hurd will probably be excluded from the current freeze process and
    instead be reconsidered for the following freeze approximately six to
    eight months later. "Hurd is at present both a difficult target to
    port to (and thus has a quite limited range of software when compared
    to the Linux ports of Debian)"
    Towns contended in his Freeze
    announcement to debian-devel-announce. He also notes that Hurd in its
    current state isn't able to self install.

     
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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, June 30 @ 11:15:45 BST

    PCMCIA Support. Without that I won't have networking and without networking I can't really give the HURD a try.

    I follow the HURD development for years now, but I just have no system that it runs on (at least with network connection) 🙁

    Regards,

    Tobias

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    Re: What do you want to see in the Hurd ? (Score: 2, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, June 30 @ 13:02:45 BST

    [BTW, it's "_the_ Hurd", (not just "Hurd")].

    In roughly order of preference: PPP, PCMCIA, audio, GNOME, accelerated 3D X server, SMP, JFS. There, shouldn't take long....

    AFAIK, the developers want to get about 80% of the pool building and then enter testing. The Official GNU (Hurd) 1.0 is at least a year away it seems, but at least now it is a visible target.

    And what am I doing about it..? not much at the moment, but learning, learning...

    As for stability, it's pretty good (but not amazing). I have had it running X, compiling etc. for days at a time, no worries.

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    Re: What do you want to see in the Hurd ? (Score: 0, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, June 30 @ 23:11:39 BST

    a year? I find that hard to believe.

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    Re: What do you want to see in the Hurd ? (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 18:53:25 BST

    "A year?", you ask. Is that too short or too long? ;-).

    Re: Towns message: The Hurd developers had already decided that they would not make the woody freeze. They are comfortable with that. It is true that the Hurd is a relatively difficult port, much because there are many non-POSIX and hidden "linuxisms" in the packages, not enough of the pool is being built. The non-self-installing is not an issue IMHO.

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    Re: What do you want to see in the Hurd ? (Score: 1)
    by neroz (neroz at beer dot com) on Monday, July 02 @ 10:02:37 BST
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    too short imho

    not that i've actually tried it, but i read a kernel cousins hurd every so often and dont see any great progress... [no offense to hurd developers]

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    Re: What do you want to see in the Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 05 @ 14:54:32 BST

    > i read a kernel cousins hurd every so often

    Heh. Cool. I write 'em. My impression of development seems to be somewhat different to yours. I do agree that certain things are taking a long time (e.g. ppp, pthreads).

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, June 30 @ 21:26:29 BST

    The devellopment of Hurd seems very slow ... Linux as been created in 91, the same year (i think???) that hurd as been created. Why Linux is stable and Hurd is not ?

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    Development models maybe? (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 05:12:14 BST

    I think perhaps that the reason for Linux's rapid evolution out-stripping Hurd is the development model used.

    Linux from the outset has been a far more open development, with an "adopt everyone's hacks, and shake them till it works" attitude.

    Hurd on the otherhand is a more academic aproach, with a "Hmmm, what's the best way to do this... lets think about it a bit before we do anything" attitude.

    The result is Linux has heaps more code thrown at it than Hurd, but the quality of Hurds code is probably better. I really don't know which approach is better, but I do think that Hurd's micro-kernel design is better than Linux's modular-macro-kernel design.

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    Re: Development models maybe? (Score: 1)
    by granziliao on Sunday, July 01 @ 05:46:35 BST
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    Who is thw GNU/Hurd project leader and

    core developement team?

    What's differences between gnumach and officla

    mach?

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 06:08:35 BST

    What is the release schedule for Hurd? Next year?

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 19:11:54 BST

    What is the avantage to use Hurd compared to Linux or *BSD ?

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 2, Informative)
    by d00d on Sunday, July 01 @ 21:30:48 BST
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    There isn't any advantage at the moment, it's in an early developement stage.

    Actually GNU (Hurd) is only meant for developers and people who likes to play around (like me). But we believe the microkernel architecture it has will make it a very good OS, most probably better than GNU/Linux or *BSD, in the future. So you're welcome to play and send a lot of bug reports.

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 03 @ 12:51:36 BST

    There isn't any advantage at the moment, it's in an early developement stage.

    I guess you could call it early... they've been working on it since 1990, just doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I wish the developers luck though.

    Greg

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0, Flamebait)
    by jondkent on Monday, July 02 @ 11:07:05 BST
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    I don't, its that simple. IMHO I could care less about Hurd and I wish Debian will concentrate on Linux only. Why? Well, I think that the Hurd will never gain any major ground and the Debian guys needs to ensure that Debian remains the best Linux distro around within the Hurd causing any distractions. Maybe they would then be able to provide quicker releases (although I'm not bothered about the current timeframes, other people seem to be)

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by neroz (neroz at beer dot com) on Monday, July 02 @ 15:35:57 BST
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    These people are not paid to do what they do, debian is a volunteer deal. People work on the Hurd because they want to, not for some great cause.

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 19:56:20 BST

    Yes I understand that, however Debian was originally put together to produce a useable Linux distro, not to produce a Hurd or even BSD based distro. These are both good platforms, but I do not believe they belong under the Debian umbrella. Do you wanna see a Debian-DOS?? I believe the Hurd thing originally started when the FSF where sponsering Debian a while back, but since this no longer occurs I see no place for the Hurd within Debian. If there was plenty of scope and time then fine, but there isn't and Debian IS losing ground. This needs addressing before any other OS's.

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 1)
    by neroz (neroz at beer dot com) on Tuesday, July 03 @ 00:59:26 BST
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    Read previous post.

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 13:16:20 BST

    Sound!

    So I can play some OGG vorbis files.

    As soon as that works, i'll re-install HURD and

    start testing and developing it again.

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    It's on a good way (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 05 @ 11:45:04 BST

    The current situation of the Hurd reminds me of when I started using Debian on powerpc a bit more than two years ago. It was very basic at that time, important stuff broke often and only few packages were available. But not too long after that, it passed a critical point, and ever since then it's getting constantly better, and we're only so little behind i386. I feel the Hurd could make a similar breakthrough soon, sure hope so!

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    Re: It's on a good way (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 05 @ 14:35:12 BST

    Yeah... And once you have i386-hurd architecture uptodate and fully-featured, you can start again with ppc-hurd 🙂

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    Release OFTEN, release EARLY. (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 16 @ 10:17:58 BST

    "It is possible to develop and test new Hurd kernel components without rebooting

    the machine (not even accidentally)."

    If that is possible, what is keeping it back? What exactly is the current status?

    It seems that the "throw everything in before release" is not moving along...

    Who cares about X or Gnome when the base system is not there? What is going on?

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    Re: What do you want to see in Hurd ? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, July 27 @ 04:20:06 BST

    I'm using hurd because there is interesting feature/thing - translators which can done

    the idea 'everthing is file'. But hurd

    is now so unstable and slow (as mostly systems based on the microkernels)

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