Debian Planet










Welcome to Debian Planet

Search

All your woody are (not quite, but very very very soon) belong to us.
Main Menu

  • Home

  • Topics

  • Web Links

  • Your Account

  • Submit News

  • Stats

  • Top 10

  • Debian

    These are important Debian sites one should not be without!

  • Official Debian site

  • Package search

  • Mailing list archives

  • Bug reports

  • Debian on CD

  • Unofficial woody CD ISOs

  • Unofficial APT sources

  • Developers' Corner

    Other great Debian news sources:

  • Debian Weekly News

  • Kernel Cousin Debian

    (Debian mailing lists digested)
  • Community Groups

    Need help? You're not alone on this planet.

  • debianHELP

    (User support site)

  • Debian International

  • DebianForum.de

    (Deutsch)

  • EsDebian

    (español)

  • DebianWorld

    (français)

  • MaximumDebian

    (Italiano)

  • DebianUsers

    (Korean)

  • Debian-BR

    (Português)

  • IRC

    The place to get help on a Debian problem (after reading docs) or to just chat and chill is #debian on irc.debian.org.

    Many of the Debian Planet staff live there so pop by and say hello.

    Wanna write?

    Got that latest or greatest scoop? Perhaps you have some important news for the Debian community? Submit a news item!

    Or perhaps you've written a rather ground breaking insight into some aspect of Debian and you feel compelled to share it with others? Knock up a longer editorial article and send it to the editors.

    Sponsorship

    DP is sponsored by Xinit Systems and kieser.net.

    Domains paid for and hosted by uklinux.net.

    Buy your Debian merchandise at DebianShop.com.

    Who's Online

    There are currently, 79 guest(s) and 5 member(s) that are online.

    You are Anonymous user. You can register for free by clicking here.

      
    Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins
    Posted on Sunday, July 01 @ 13:39:25 BST

    Freeze updates
    The event we have all been waiting for, Woody freeze has began.
    Below is the whole announcement by Anthony Towns.

    Welcome to the woody freeze.

    As previously proposed, the freeze will proceed in four
    phases: first policy will be frozen, followed by the base
    system, followed by standard installs, and concluding with the
    remainder of Debian. The aim of this first part of the freeze
    is to finalise our expectations of the release (what we want
    packages to look like, what architectures we're going to
    release) and to prepare ourselves for the freezing the base
    system by ensuring that the base system is releasable.

    Note that this does not involve a freeze on package
    development yet: bugfixes, and new features are still welcome,
    and will continue being added to woody in the usual way. What
    it does mean is that your packages will be frozen in the near
    future, so now is probably a good time to limit yourself to
    only introducing new features that have already been heavily
    tested upstream, and fixing bugs.

    In detail, the goals for this phase are:

    • Finalise debian-policy: accept any further proposals that
      woody packages should concern themselves with; and ensure
      -policy is a useful document for people working on quality
      assurance.
    Deadline: final version of debian-policy for woody needs to be
          uploaded to the archive by July 21st.
    
    • Finalise our target architectures. As well as alpha, arm,
      i386, m68k, powerpc and sparc, we have the opportunity to
      include ia64 (Intel's new 64bit Itanium architecture), hppa
      (HP's PA-RISC architecture), mips and mipsel (SGI and
      Decstation machines), too. Requirements for inclusion in
      woody are fairly simple and have been met, or are close to
      being met, by all those architectures. For reference, they
      are: a working, relatively stable toolchain, a usable system
      (including all of base and standard; and a fair chunk of
      optional and extra), and a functional install. (Hurd people,
      see below)
    Deadline: someone from each architecture that wants to release
          needs to mail -release with their current status, and a successful
          install report by July 24th.
    
    • Determine whether cryptographic software can be moved
      from non-US/main to main. Ben Collins (project leader) is
      hustling this through the appropriate avenues.
    Deadline: legal advice needs to be obtained by July 21st.
    
    • Ensure the base system is releasable on all
      architectures: this means making sure we know what packages,
      exactly, the base system consists of on all architectures;
      and fixing any and all release critical bugs (ie, with
      severities critical, grave or serious) in those
      packages.
    Deadline: base packages need to be free of RC bugs by July 21st.

    If all goes well, the next phase will begin on the 1st of
    August. If all goes incredibly well, we'll release in November.
    Ha ha ha.

    The main risk that may affect moving on to the next phase is
    the possiblity of finding release critical bugs in the base
    system that take significant amounts of time to fix.

    As you've noticed by a careful analysis of the subject line,
    the woody release will be numbered Debian 3.0, in recognition
    of the large number of changes made since potato. This is, to
    put it mildly, a somewhat controversial decision, but it's one
    I get to make. Personally, I'm pretty happy with the way
    woody's progressing, and I think by the time it's released
    it'll easily live up to that number -- and by that I mean the
    "3", not the ".0".

    On the subject of controversial decisions, one I'm not going
    to make today is what to call the release after woody. That one
    will be made when woody is released and a new testing
    distribution is forked from woody. Besides which, I still
    haven't gotten around to rewatching Toy Story.

    While I may not be too concerned one way or another about
    the name of the next release, I do have some ideas about how it
    might be good to handle the next release. My overriding goal
    for this release was to manage to get a short, controllable
    freeze; one that we can get over and done with in a few months,
    rather than letting it drag on for seven months with no end in
    sight, but this came at a cost of letting the development cycle
    go on for quite a while: ten and a half months, as it turned
    out. For the next cycle (assuming this freeze actually turns
    out to be relatively short and controlled), I think it would be
    interesting to see if we can do the same thing again, with a
    short (2 or 3 month) development cycle, for a 5 to 7 month
    release cycle.

    Which would mean you mightn't need to worry too much about
    not getting the neat new feature you were planning on working
    on into woody, if that's any consolation.

    And on that note, I'm inclined to think Hurd is probably
    better off targetting the next freeze, (in, say, six to eight
    months from today) rather than woody. In particular, Hurd is at
    present both a difficult target to port to (and thus has a
    quite limited range of software when compared to the Linux
    ports of Debian) and isn't able to self install.

    In short, the freeze, she is begun. Have at it.

    Cheers,
    aj

     
    Related Links

  • More about Freeze updates
  • News by ressu

    Most read story about Freeze updates:
    Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins

    Last news about Freeze updates:

    Printer Friendly Page  Send this Story to a Friend
  • "Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins" | Login/Create Account | 43 comments
    Threshold


    The comments are owned by the poster. We aren't responsible for their content.

    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1)
    by phill on Sunday, July 01 @ 14:54:25 BST
    (User Info)

    Excellent news. I have felt that recently Woody was not receiveing as much attention as Sid. In actual fact I was downloading a dist-upgrade to Sid as i read this, but I'll make a separate partition for that now.

    So to the important question, whtat to name the next release... Well Sid was quite scary so why not Rexx (the scared green T. Rex), or on the flip side introduce so femininity into Debian and use Bo-Peep. Any other thoughts...

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 2, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 15:16:45 BST

    These have been used. From the project history:

    1.1 Buzz released June 1996

    1.2 Rex released December 1996

    1.3 Bo released July 1997

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 2, Insighful)
    by phill on Sunday, July 01 @ 16:36:09 BST
    (User Info)

    Bugger! Am I correct in thinking that Sid is now the permanent name for unstable? Going back to the new name let me suggest Babyfacce, the name of the crazy doll/mechanical spider from Sid's collection. That is unless we move to Toy Story 2...

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 17:31:15 BST

    hmmmm... has there been "Andy" yet? Or is that reserved for something else?

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 20:23:23 BST

    "Bugger! Am I correct in thinking that Sid is now the permanent name for unstable? "

    Yes. I have read that several times.

    A good choice actually, because sid can be thought of as an

    acronym for "still in development"

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1)
    by kmcmartin (kyle at achilles dot net) on Sunday, July 01 @ 21:05:18 BST
    (User Info) http://swirl.artramp.org

    Heh, personally I'd like to see unstable become wheezy, the little penguin from TS2.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1, Funny)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 00:03:58 BST

    seconded. I want to run wheezy on my machine, especially as it gets a little asthmatic when I start gnome-panel 😉

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 23:16:21 BST

    Babyface? I dont know. That thing reminds me a lot of the doll on the Tool-Prison Sex video.


    Am I alone?!

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 23:54:48 BST

    yes

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 02:11:51 BST

    So far, here are the names that have been used...

    Debian 1.1: Buzz

    Debian 1.2: Rex

    Debian 1.3: Bo

    Debian 2.0: Hamm

    Debian 2.1: Slink

    Debian 2.2: Potato

    Debian 3.0: Woody

    Debian Unstable: Sid

    That leaves the following "major" toy characters from the movies (let me know if I missed any -- I'm leaving out Sid's creations):

    Speak (Speak and Spell)

    Sarge

    R.C. (The RC car)

    Jessie

    Bullseye

    Pete (or Stinky Pete, or Prospector)

    Zurg

    Barbie (I see a letter from Mattel's lawyers on that one...)

    Wheezy

    Missus (Mrs. Potato Head?)

    I'd vote for Sarge or Jessie, myself; maybe even Zurg or Bullseye...

    Jay (=

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 05:00:14 BST

    How about the Etch-a-Sketch?

    Benjamin Geiger

    (Anonymous because I haven't created an account yet.)

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 06:44:30 BST

    uhmm.. how did this whole toy story naming get started anyway?

    why are we limited to these names?

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 08:31:20 BST

    Bruce Perens was working (or works still?) at Pixar and Pixar made Toy Story.

    I don't understand what you talking about limitations.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 18:35:54 BST

    Bruce works at HP, where he is the resident

    Open Source enabler/glavanizer and liason to community.

    [ Reply ]


    Debian Stinky? (Score: 1)
    by drazaelb on Monday, July 02 @ 15:23:42 BST
    (User Info)

    > Pete (or Stinky Pete, or Prospector)

    Pete or Prospector would work, but I'm not so sure about "Debian Stinky". We have enough juvenile snickering with Woody. 🙂

    Someone mentioned Etch already. Did the muscle man have a name? How about the three-eyed aliens? ("Debian Alien"?)

    Sounds like time for a poll.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1, Funny)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 20:28:40 BST

    I suggested Mrs. Nesbit before (circa Hamm).

    That was Buzz in drag, nobody liked the idea

    much. Still think its funny myself . . .

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 21:57:25 BST

    Next release --> Shrek!

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, July 01 @ 22:47:19 BST

    There are barely enough characters in shrek for fore than 3 or 4 releases

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) --And what happened to Sarge? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 00:03:55 BST

    Sarge was a good guy...He was CGI.....And he took charge!

    I'm one vote for Sarge..."After you have had fun with a woody, time to take charge with Sarge".

    "I'm leaving my woody for Sarge"

    "Sarge took charge of my boxen."

    [ Reply ]


    Bo-Peep (Score: -1, Redundant)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 00:07:45 BST

    I seem to remember that Bo was already used a couple years back.

    [ Reply ]


    Sarge (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 02:22:21 BST

    No doubt... Sarge ...

    Debian Sarge. It has a nice ring it, dontchya think?

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian 3.0 (woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 03:46:59 BST

    ToyBarn! The perfect name! lol

    [ Reply ]


    A great name (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 03:48:34 BST

    ToyBarn, or Pizza! (ps i'm the anonymous from above. ) Debian ToyBarn. It has a nice ring. And Debian Pizza (from pizza planet) sounds yummy.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: A great name (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 11:43:03 BST

    If we call it pizza I hope the picture doesn't look as tasty as the potato. That one makes me sooo hungry.

    Al (too lazy to log in)

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Debian Zurg ! (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, August 27 @ 16:56:54 BST

    The unstable's named Sid, let's continue with the bad boys' names : Zurg is the Evil in person !

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: -1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 02:09:09 BST

    Greetings and salutations!

    I must say that this news is so personally exciting that I, well, cooked up a steaming hot pot of grits and poured them down my trousers!

    As you can imagine, it was a extemely satisfying event for all observers.

    [ Reply ]


    Kernel (Score: 4, Interesting)
    by neroz (neroz@iinet.net.au) on Monday, July 02 @ 02:52:23 BST
    (User Info)

    Which kernel is it going to come with? I'm assuming 2.2.19 as default, with 2.4.x source included? Also, what file system? ext2 as default, with XFS and Reiser as options?

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Kernel (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 07:34:53 BST

    IMHO, the 2.4.x series is now quite stable. It could be used as the default, keeping 2.2.x as a backup.

    Rationale : the kernel improvements in 2.4.x are important, even for uniprocessor i386 machines. Kernel helpers applications (hdparm, iptables and such) are much more likely to have new and interesting developments|features for the 2.4.x series. Support for "new" hardware will appear first for 2.4.x, and might or might not be backported to 2.2.x (for an example, think USB on i386 ...).

    However, the /dev|devfs issue (which will be solved sooner or later in the devfs direction) will create some perturbation along the way ...

    OTOH, I cannot think of a positive reason to install 2.2.x on an new system.

    How to solve : look at the frequency of 2.2.x- and 2.4.x-related packages from stable and unstable.

    What do you think ?

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Kernel (Score: 2, Informative)
    by neroz (neroz at beer dot com) on Monday, July 02 @ 07:41:00 BST
    (User Info)

    Though many people have no issues with 2.2, many others still get disk corruption and such, which is why I think 2.2 will still be default (debian stable likes to be /stable/).

    I haven't had problems with it myself though, and have been running it since 2.4.0-test9

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Kernel (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 14:11:11 BST

    > OTOH, I cannot think of a positive reason to install 2.2.x on an new system.

    They don't have openwall kernel patches for 2.4 yet. That's a compelling reason to me.

    yacko

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Kernel (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 18:09:08 BST

    Not at the moment but by the time Woody goes stable there will be (at the current rate it will be 2.4.10 and have openwall by then) The Debian team has included new versions of the kernel in revs before no reason to assume that the freeze will keep the latest kernel out and most if not all of the current issues should be taken care of before then.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Kernel (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 21:06:26 BST

    I can think of a very good reason to stay on a 2.2 kernel... The 2.4 kernel series still has VM performance issues and a horrible swap bug, that I have been hit with myself taking out two ext2 partitions. I am not sure, but I hear the swap bug issue started in 2.4.4 and continues on to 2.4.5.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 03:08:59 BST

    I really do hope that it will have Postgres 7.1 and KDE 2.2 in it. Both of these packages have had real improvements made and features added since the Debian 2 series was released. I really want to go back to Debian, but not with archelogical packages in it.

    [ Reply ]


    Kde 2.2? (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 03:44:19 BST

    Kde 2.2 has not been released by KDE yet, so it'd be pretty tough to put it in if they're freezing now.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: 1)
    by neroz (neroz at beer dot com) on Monday, July 02 @ 04:30:29 BST
    (User Info)

    If you're running something other than debian stable, just for up to date packages, you might as well run testing with select packages from Sid, it's probably more stable than what other options you have.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, August 27 @ 14:08:29 BST

    Woody already has PostgreSQL 7.1 in it. And Ivan Moore promised that KDE 2.2 will make the freeze. So good news all round. 🙂

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: -1, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 05:52:15 BST

    How about we find a name for the next release that is not borrowed from some highly commercial, heavily merchandised film.

    I can think of a million places to start (beach, tree, gandhi, etc ...)

    "Everything is nature and nature includes everything"

    [ Reply ]


    Buzz! (Score: -1)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 07:50:16 BST

    Call it Buzz! Why not stick with the Toy Story theme? It's an excellent idea to associate Linux distros with 3D animation. Hopefully, open source will take over 3D and Buzz is just a good name. Kidz will dig it. It's fun to say!

    Besides, after this release, Toy Story will be way too old to continue with and there will hopefully have been some new animation much more worthy of tapping for future names.

    So, Buzz took over Woody's position. It's obvious. It has to be Buzz!

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Buzz! (Score: 0, Redundant)
    by neroz (neroz at beer dot com) on Monday, July 02 @ 10:06:05 BST
    (User Info)

    Buzz was used for 1.1

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, July 02 @ 10:25:08 BST

    There was a suggestion a while back to name the releases after breeds of penguins. I look forward to the day when I can be running the Emperor release.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 04 @ 02:12:11 BST

    Now that is a cool idea.

    The way I see it there are only 2 decent names

    left, Sarge and Zurg.

    Wait make that one.

    Actually, ditch em!

    That was then this is now.

    the next post Woody release will probably have the

    new installer.That will be a good time to start

    with a new naming system.

    Tradition is fine, but it can also be pretty dusty.

    Adios, Toy Story Monickers, you had a nice run

    and served us well.

    Let the Penguin Era begin.

    imho.

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 05 @ 19:09:17 BST

    I think "A Bug's Life" is perhaps more appropriate. Debian Flick 3.0

    [ Reply ]


    Re: Iceman Commeth: Debian 3.0 (Woody) Freeze begins (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 17 @ 08:46:20 BST

    Can someone explain why this post was marked 'Troll'?

    [ Reply ]


    Based on: PHP-Nuke

    All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner. The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2000 by Debian Planet

    You can syndicate our news using the file backend.php.