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    Debian GNU/Hurd grows
    Posted on Wednesday, July 11 @ 07:36:43 BST

    GNU/HURD
    Philip Charles has reported on the debian-hurd list that There are now 1068 Hurd specific binaries. There were 592 at the beginning of May. 50 of these packages were excluded by apt, presumably because of dependency problems. In May 56 were excluded.
    We've been lucky to see the resumption of active hacking on GNU/Hurd over the last couple of years. Its renewed popularity amongst developers leaves one crucial question unasked: Is anyone out there using Debian GNU/Hurd on a day-to-day basis on production or end-user systems yet? If not, what are the main issues that remain?

     
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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 11 @ 15:01:52 BST

    > If not, what are the main issues that remain?

    stability, a good iso image, kde and gnome, official AND *up_to_date* documentation.

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 11 @ 15:28:02 BST

    I don't think stability does have highest priority, there is some things, such as PCMCIA and PPP support missing, more generally all hardware support.

    I shouldn't take too long to get KDE and GNOME running, as those rely mostly on X's libraries and glibc. X support is too unstable to use still, but glibc as GNU project supports the Hurd of course.

    Up to date documentation is not so good in any project. Nobody wants to make easy installer ("good iso image") until there is some added value from using the Hurd.

    IMHO, biggest problem with the Hurd is now hardware support as their microkernel doesn't make it so easy add new drivers, many drivers are added to Mach itself, so it's not any more so microkernel.

    But that is only my opinion, and I did follow development of the Hurd quite closely some time ago, but lately only Kernel Cousin debian-hurd and others.

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 01:14:05 BST

    AFAIK, the blocking point for GNOME (and I guess KDE) is pthreads.

    And would you like to make any comment about the Kernel Cousin? Worthwhile? written too formally? Could make use of a spelling corrector :-)?

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 03:12:24 BST

    stability, a good iso image, kde and gnome, official AND *up_to_date* documentation.

     
    You require GNOME or KDE in order to use a
    system? I hardly think of those two bloated desktops as a requirement.

    Try WindowMaker, or Blackbox. Very fast, clean and
    extremely stable.

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 18:36:46 BST

    > Try WindowMaker, or Blackbox

    they works on Hurd ?

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 17 @ 09:36:25 BST

    it's not just about the desktop environment but about the development environment these two provide for those who write desktop applications.

    expand your mind.

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 11 @ 17:52:10 BST

    > f not, what are the main issues that remain?

    stable XFree ...

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 11 @ 20:50:30 BST


    stable pfinet and translators.

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: -1)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 01:48:58 BST

    > If not, what are the main issues that remain?

    A guy that use it an say that it is stable and usable 😉

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 01:59:47 BST

    Here is the URL for Philip Charles' message:

    http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd-0107/msg00002.html

    Here is the Kernel Cousin summary: http://kt.zork.net/debian-hurd/latest.html#3

    PE.

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: -1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 02:28:07 BST

    It's not even really that alot of issues make me choose to not use GNU/HURD; it's just that GNU/Linux is currently so much better that there's no reasonable reason in me even looking at GNU/HURD.

    --

    -Brad Lathem

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 03:32:43 BST

    It's not even really that alot of issues make me choose to not use GNU/HURD; it's just that GNU/Linux is currently so much better that there's no reasonable reason in me even looking at GNU/HURD.

     
    And you still are happily working at Burger King?

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    Debian GNU/Hurd grows -- and it needs YOU! (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 09:48:51 BST

    I followed Hurd for a while and had the following problems (some mentioned before):

    - no PPP (work in progress, though) or PC-card

    - partition size still limited to 1Mb AFAIK

    - some critical translators unstable (pfinet, ext2fs)

    - inferior speed

    All of them are a problem for me, the first is prohibitive, the second is almost managable (use more partitions or nfs), the third makes unfeasible to use in production envirionment. Although the last is annoying, I would personally be willing to suffer a bit for the sake of progress -- I can clearly remember the speed of my first Slackware on my 486 /w 8m ram...

    I do not run the Hurd currently, as I have just a notebook and it can not stop working. Despite of these, the last time I tried the Hurd, X was up, working with blackbox more or less fine, emacs was working, mutt was working, lynx was working, R was working. All the essential system management tools are working. So? This is a working environment for many, is'nt it?

    If I had a spare machine and another running GNU/Linux all the time, I would take a day off and installed the Hurd with X and use nfs. Many report good success and you can use X clients that are not ported yet. Debugging is still one of the major tasks.

    If I could program, I would donate some work to Hurd development. The most important problem now is not the size of the microcernel, not to say Gnome or other monsters. The problem is that only microscopic programming interest is focused on the Hurd. If it could reach a minimum but fairly stable functionality, its development would surely accelerate, since the prospects are much better than in a Linux based system (ever fancied mounting ftp sites or nfs as a user...?).

    So please, programming literates, help the stupid, fix PPP and migrate packages! Then maybe also I can get back to the Hurd...

    Cheers,

    Zsombor

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    Correction: Debian GNU/Hurd grows -- and it needs YOU! (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 12:46:42 BST

    ... partition size to 1 _G_b of course ...!

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows -- and it needs YOU! (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 12 @ 18:41:30 BST

    > partition size still limited to 1Mb AFAIK

    cool, Hurd fit on a floppy disk 😉

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows -- and it needs YOU! (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, July 14 @ 16:34:16 BST

    Heh:) he meant 1 GB:)

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 1)
    by d00d on Saturday, July 14 @ 21:32:59 BST
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    A more transparent way to use virtual terminals. In my opinion, "screen" should be adapted to work with the same hotkeys as GNU/Linux. Because they're easier and because we're already used to do it with ALT-F?.

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 17 @ 09:39:38 BST

    what's hurd's way of doing it, btw?

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19 @ 01:42:05 BST

    I like the idea of Debian GNU/Hurd, and I think once it gets easier to install I'll try it out - but I would like a stable X and some KDE lovin' before I do soo. On a sidenote, I'm very happy to see this amount of work being put into Hurd. Hurd Lives, surrender 🙂

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    Re: Debian GNU/Hurd grows (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 14 @ 01:06:22 GMT

    I look into using HURD as a replacement for Linux becuase it is less of a main stream OS. When HURD becomes easier to install and configure in as far as Debian GNU/Linux is with comparable functions, I will do more than play with it.

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