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    Do napster clients belong in non-free?
    Contributed by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18 @ 16:56:18 BST

    Ask Debianplanet
    Napster is going to ditch the MP3 format altogether and run instead with a
    proprietary format, .nap (see this article)
    Should the various FREE napster clients move to non-free?

    rob: I think not as they are still open source (+ FREE) and they only provide a means for transporting these files and do not actually interact with them in any way, therefore they do not belong within non-free.

     
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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 3, Funny)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 18 @ 17:12:59 BST

    Since Napster is going south really fast, maybe the clients should be moved to /dev/null 🙂

    Hoogla Boogla

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 3, Insighful)
    by rphan on Wednesday, July 18 @ 20:23:12 BST
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    I'd have to agree with rob on this one. Based on the author's perception, you would have to throw every program dealing with proprietary file formats into non-free. That would include word processors (abiword, kword), anything that manipulated gifs, etc...

    Anyway, have we all forgotten about opennap? gnapster has great opennap support, although I personally use napshare (gnutella) for my music and video needs.

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 1)
    by cph on Wednesday, July 18 @ 23:34:04 BST
    (User Info) http://www.cph.demon.co.uk/

    Based on the author's perception, you would have to throw every program dealing with proprietary file formats into non-free.

    Well, quite a few programs that use proprietary data files in normal use have been put in contrib, (e.g. Doom and Quake ports, although there's nothing preventing these being used with open data files if they were created). Policy isn't too specific on the freedom requirements of data used by programs.

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19 @ 00:43:56 BST

    The differenece is that quake and doom need the data files to operate as a user normally intentds them to operate. If there was a set of dfsg free data files in debian, then they could be in main and not contrib. At least that's the impression I've gotten from a discusion on debian-devel from a while back. Napster doesnt need specific data files to operate, it's purpose is to retrieve and send them. Practically speaking it's just a little more than a ftp client, server, and search engine

    Greg

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 2, Funny)
    by arcterex on Thursday, July 19 @ 17:28:13 BST
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    These days gnapster works perfectly without ever touching external files.... it starts up, does a search, and reports "0 results found" 🙂 So no problem, right?

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by d00d on Wednesday, July 18 @ 21:16:11 BST
    (User Info) http://getyouriso.org/

    I recommend everyone to drop the server-centralized-and-insecure *Nap network and join Freenet. Freenet works in a way that no government or autority is able to rule over it and everyone is free to exchange information anonymously. You can find Debian Packages and information on http://freenet.sourceforge.net/.

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19 @ 01:28:24 BST

    I could never get freenet running... but still it sounds MUCH better than stilly ol' Napster

    - Lovechild

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    Re: Freenet (Score: 1)
    by Nikolai on Thursday, July 19 @ 09:21:36 BST
    (User Info) http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~pparkkin/

    Me neither.

    Anyone care to post a howto on how to get it to work on a debian/unstable system? It would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Freenet (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19 @ 12:24:25 BST

    Try the freenet package.

    apt-get install freenet

    (or something like that)

    The only difficult bit was getting java running. But I don't actually remember how I did this, so I guess it wasn't to difficult. ?apt-get kaffe or something.

    The freenet package contains startup scripts so that a freenet deamon is started in run level 2. Then you just connect to it via http://localhost:8081

    Sorry I can't be more specific, but I don't remember it being more difficult than the average package. (ie dead simple)

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    Re: Freenet (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19 @ 23:08:20 BST

    Or you could try the Blackdown JDK/JRE (which is Sun's JDK/JRE ported to Linux).


    E.g. add deb ftp://ftp.easynet.be/blackdown/debian woody non-free to your sources.list and apt-get install "j2re1.3" (for running Java applications) or "j2sdk1.3" (for developing/compiling them).

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    Re: Freenet (Score: 1)
    by Nikolai on Friday, July 20 @ 07:02:58 BST
    (User Info) http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~pparkkin/

    Thanks, but no thanks!

    Not touching the non-free stuff.

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Friday, July 20 @ 02:14:19 BST

    Why is freenet so much more secure? I would say that centralized is.

    Anyways, freenet does not scale nearly as well as a centralized system. Many individual feeding false or poor quality information (by information i mean porn and mp3s on freenet) is far more problematic than a "government or authority'.

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    Re: Do napster clients belong in non-free? (Score: -1)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19 @ 00:23:56 BST

    Am i right in thinking that you can't actually access napster with using THEIR client? I heard this quite recently.

    Hereward

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    OpenNAP (Score: 1, Insighful)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, July 19 @ 00:52:05 BST

    I was thinking the Free clients would maybe stick with OpenNap?


    Also the Free Software Movement is about Free Software, it is not about information wanting to be free.

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    Why is this offtopic?? (nt) (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, July 21 @ 21:16:44 BST

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