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    US Drafts Son of DMCA
    Posted on Sunday, September 09 @ 03:51:27 BST

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    There is a draft bill for the US Congress that seeks to make illegal creating, selling or distributing systems (think: anything witha microprocessor, basically) that don't have US Congress Commerce Commitee-approved copy protection mechanisms in them. Basically, this bill would make Linux (and, by extension, Debian) illegal in the US. My god. Wired has the story, and there's a copy of the draft here.

    DanielS: Reworked the story.

     
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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 4, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 04:25:30 BST

    Actually it's up to the "industry" eg private sector to determine the definition of "certified" if they fail to do so then it diverts to the gonvernment. It is not the gonvernments immediate decision so people who distribute software (middleware) will have a say in what this means and what it encompases. Lets not sensationalize and claim it makes Linux illegal when you have no idea how this will technically affect linux and related technologies. For instance the NSA uses and distributes a distrobution, they're part of the government too, would they be dealt felonies and 500K fines, my guess is probably not. So simmah-down-now, this still has yet to be passed, get up in arms about it, write your congress-person and let them know how you feel about it. I'm glad you dont live here either, aliens may land tomarrow and you'd be the first to declare them hostile.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 3, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 04:42:29 BST

    This bill hasn't even been introduced! It's a draft. Certainly we the people have an obligation to be vigilant in protection of our freedom -- especially when a bill like this that is backed by some powerful lobbies comes along -- but to suggest that a naive bill which will probably be torn to shreds in commitee implies that the US is to "make linux illegal" is ludicrous and irresponsible.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 16:20:43 BST

    Remember when they came up with a wacky law that would make watching DVDs in Linux illegal? That was so silly it had no chance to pass...

    oh wait...

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 05:10:46 BST

    This sounds like a Chinese Democracy.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 05:41:47 BST

    We dont live in a democracy

    I dont, americans dont, canadians dont, europeans dont..

    The fact that the country is capitlist contradicts itsa bility to be a democracy.

    The industry rules these worlds, folks.

    Nothing you can do about it..

    ACCEPT:

    REVOLT! violance. sure, itd suck, people would die, but its the only way we can win aginst these facists. The fact that they have for so long poisened society with facist propaganda through the education system, makes it virtually impossible for many people to realise that we arn't living in a free world.

    As this inteligent gentleman said:

    would you kill for your freedom?

    THE GEEKS HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE BUT THEIR CHAINS. THEY HAVE A WOLRD TO WIN

    GEEKS OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE!

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 08:39:58 BST

    I hate those fscking bastards that believe that some kind of fscking socialistic/comunistic state would save their little greedy asses. Fsck you! Try to live 40+ years it the hell that your comrades spread over the most of the eastern hemisphere you dumb ass. Unfortunately world is full of lunatics like you...
    I belive in EVOLUTION through EDUCATION....that's what MY geekness is all about.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 09:47:58 BST

    above post getting +4 tells a lot about this site...

    debianplanet is dying !

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by rob on Sunday, September 09 @ 13:10:26 BST
    (User Info)

    Or just the fact moderation is inherantly lame and is just not available in DP2.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 13:45:03 BST

    ...it means that comies are ruling the world and we are in a big *shit* of trouble...

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 13:54:16 BST

    Facists? You moron, none of those countries are ruled by facism. Do you even know what facism is? It's when the military controls the country. The military could never control the US because Americans have guns, almost all Americans, as a matter of fact. And, we are living in a free world for the most part. PEOPLE vote for their REPRESENTATIVES which MAKE DECISIONS like this for their country/state. So if a Senator passes this bill, just remember it was the people that elected him senator.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 14:47:55 BST

    You idiot. American people have jet fighter and M1A1 Abrams too?

    What good do you gun doo against a Tomahawk?

    Stop dreaming... The second amendament is obsolete.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 17:57:16 BST

    You mean the army with it's tanks and stealth bombers isn't scared of my walmart rifle?

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Offtopic)
    by CaptainRotundo on Monday, September 10 @ 15:10:00 BST
    (User Info) http://www.dweasel.com/

    That is in fact NOT fascism. that would be a military dictatorship, and that does not imply fascism at all. Maybe you should brush up on your political science/history. The world most famous fascist Hitler did not take power with the military, he was appointed supreme ruler by the legislature. The simple fact that you hide behind poor logic to pretend you have all the freedom you want will make it that much more ironic when you wake up one day and you guns can no longer provide you with false security. Like a child who comes to realize he no longer needs his security blanket anymore because it in fact cannot offer him the comfort he once believed it could.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 15:07:12 BST

    "canadians dont"

    What do you know about this ?

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 05:59:15 BST

    Well the fact that we elect one person to run the country for five years without any real recourse does it.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 2, Insighful)
    by rob on Sunday, September 09 @ 13:12:15 BST
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    I think you are overreacting a bit much to this Daniel :).

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by crazney on Sunday, September 09 @ 13:14:27 BST
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    i dont

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 11 @ 00:09:15 BST

    But you're dumb, so your opinion doesn't count.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 13:53:07 BST

    Who cares. Its US' problem. We are not American. They deserve what they got by choosing this congress and this president. God bless rest of us.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 17:55:21 BST

    So you think all the hardware companies are gonna go through the trouble of designing a special European version of everything? No. That's like saying Microsoft being an illegal monpoly is America's problem. Well it's everyones problem but only America can fix it. Do you think there will be a Windows EU edition with copy controls turned off? I don't. How many major hardware designers, manufacturers and vendors there are in the EU countries, i'm willing to bet not a whole lot.

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    Europe does make a difference (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 22:47:17 BST

    Even if the companies don't make separate versions, outlawing linux in the US (if that ever happens) wouldn't eradicate it in Europe.

    OpenBSD is created entirely outside the US (because of the stupid encryption regulations). Maybe debian should go the same way...

    Actually debian non-us and the kerneli.org show that US laws can't stop linux from developping...

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    Re: Europe does make a difference (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 02:01:19 BST

    I think you underestimate the amount of code contributed by American's to open source projects.

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    EU anti-trust regulations (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 22:58:20 BST

    The EU doen have influence on US companies.

    See this cnn article for "the first time a proposed merger between two U.S. companies has been blocked solely by European regulators".

    And it can happen to PC makers to: read this : it says HP-Compaq are more affraid of the EU regulators than of the US.

    Don't forget most big US companies make a lot of money abroad (not only in europe), and most can't afford to lose that...

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 03:11:53 BST

    Linux is legal outside US, only American cares if MS windows will add some control code and become legal or not.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 14:02:37 BST

    Haha.... this is getting better and better every day...

    The United States are SO FUCKED UP!...

    Lets hope the EU wakes up so it doesn't follow in the same footsteps...

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 17:33:55 BST

    Unlike your outdated parliamentary system where once the government creates a bill, it will almost certainly go through, in the US a bill has to go through two different free votes.

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    outdates political systems... (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 22:43:57 BST

    your outdated parliamentary system

    Hmm...

    Most European constitutions are more recent than the US constitution.

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    Re: outdates political systems... (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 05:01:16 BST

    The system of government is different than the consitution. For example, Canada's consitution is only 20 years old, the goverment is a 130 years, and based on the British system. No matter how little powe they have, if the head of state is not elected then the sysem is outdated.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 22:45:56 BST

    That is to say, two sets of people get to make themselves richer. Anyway, I don't know what you're talking about. Most European countries I know have an upper and lower house.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 04:49:48 BST

    Well like Canada and the UK they have two houses, but only one is elected. The upper house has little real power, and the lower house is controlled by the government.

    And its good to see that you don't ever understand the steretypes you're using. The congressmen don't make the money they get in donations, it must be used for their campains. Like the rest of the world its power over money.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0, Flamebait)
    by d00d on Sunday, September 09 @ 23:40:02 BST
    (User Info) http://getyouriso.org/

    does it really matter when all parlament members are sold to the Big Bussiness lobbies?

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 05:06:07 BST

    You people are sheep. Do you think its just the US. The only reason that the US is an example is they are cocky enough to not try and hide it. Face it, your no better off then the Americans.

    This whole article is based on sensationalism, something i'd expect on slashdot, but not here. This has nothing to do with debian.

    And its an early draft, it has a long way to go before there is even a commitee vote, and considering the problems caused by this bill, i think the articles title is a little premature.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 03:14:16 BST

    Yes, and after 2 or 3 or millions votes, now you cannot watch DVD on your linux box. Good system! errr... I mean the politic system, not your Operating system.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0, Flamebait)
    by TeknoSpy on Monday, September 10 @ 00:50:40 BST
    (User Info) http://www.teknospy.com

    I'm sooooo sick of two-faced so-called patriots to their country. Canadians hate Americans. Europeans hate Americans. I don't know about you but if I hated someone, I would not come running to them every time I was in trouble.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 05:13:37 BST

    You are either an American or a sheep. The hate Americans act is just that, a stereotype based joke. In Canada we think, "they have more power than us, and they have a huge influence over us, but hey, we can make jokes about them and it all works out".

    Its also nice that you can put nearly 300million people into one group and say that you hate them without giving a single logical reason. It has no more value or accuracy than "all europeans are stupid and smell bad".

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Troll)
    by DarthAggie on Monday, September 10 @ 00:53:19 BST
    (User Info)

    Lets hope the EU wakes up so it doesn't follow in the same footsteps...

    Heh. I hope you like your version of the DMCA.

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    Re: US to make Linux illegal (Score: -1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 03:15:26 BST

    Now that is a virual law!

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    Every single person needs new software+hardware? (Score: 0, Offtopic)
    by zoltan on Sunday, September 09 @ 14:53:29 BST
    (User Info)

    So, since nothings complies with that, and if it does get passed, everything currently will be illegal... it would costs lots of money to replace all the computer systems in the US. And again, the rest of the world wont comply immediately, would that mean the US would disconnect themselves from the WWW and make their own, for their own censored content? How would they enforce such a bill? Storm into your house to check for equipment that doesn't conform?

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    Re: Every single person needs new software+hardware? (Score: -1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 16:27:00 BST

    Sounds like a great way to stimulate the economy to me! yay!

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    Feds AND Gates are behind this joke ?????? (Score: -1, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 20:16:26 BST

    It wouldn't suprize if this is the "next step" of the Feds and Bill Gates agreement?

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    Re: Feds AND Gates are behind this joke ?????? (Score: -1, Troll)
    by Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 @ 21:37:09 BST

    Not Gates, he needs token competition around. That's why Microsoft always saves Apple with last minute funding whenever it's about to die.

    It's the RIAA and the MPAA. They want computers locked down. As you probably remember Jack Valenti said if he couldn't stop it with lawsuits he was going to block it on every persons home computer, speaking of mp3 trading. Now the movie industry realizes movies are about to get traded mp3 style now that near DVD quality copies can be made in 700 megs with the DivX codec. They alreayd are, but if residential bandwith ever increases especially upstream speed, their industry is in trouble.

    So in order to fix it, just make devices, operating systems and programs that allow unathorized duplication of information outlawed.

    If Disney can buy a 20 year extension to copyright every 20 years, then they can do this to.

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    Message to Americans: Speak UP! (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 15:01:10 BST

    If you are an American, and you are debating this topic here, you are wasting your time. Use your time more productively and begin emailing your Congressmen. You can start with Fritz Hollings, the misguided senator from South Carolina who is introducing this legislature. Then email your state senators. Then if you have time email ALL 100 senators and let them know that you oppose this legislation. Go to:

    http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm

    for the email addresses and contact pages for all 100 U.S. senators.

    I sat down last night and in the space of two hours emailed around 70 senators. I would have contacted all 100, but the senate website went down around 12:30am this morning. I will try again later to finish the rest. :^)

    The best way to head off legislation like this is to drum up grassroots opposition BEFORE the bill goes to committee. Poison it with public dissent, and make it so that no Congressman seeking re-election will want to soil himself with it.

    Americans love to complain that democracy is dead. The fact is, democracy is an interactive process. If you don't speak up and have your views heard, you can't expect the government to recognize your concerns and respond to them. You can be sure that the entertainment industry that is driving this legislature is making their views heard.

    Sean

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    Re: Message to Americans: Speak UP! (Score: 1, Informative)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 15:15:20 BST

    While you're at it, visit:

    http://www.PetitionOnline.com/SSSCA/

    and sign the digital petition in opposition to this proposed legislation.

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    Re: Message to Americans: Speak UP! (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by DarthAggie on Monday, September 10 @ 15:19:45 BST
    (User Info)

    or the email addresses and contact pages for all 100 U.S. senators.

    Email is all well and good, but if you want real impact, write a letter. You know, on paper. And an envelope. And a stamp. And better yet, get everyone you know who you can sway to write a letter. Target your senators/representatives. Then find out who is the chair of the relevant committees who will get the bill first. Write them. Write the majority and minority leaders of both houses.

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    Re: Message to Americans: Speak UP! (Score: 1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 18:04:41 BST

    Fine. Postal addresses are on that same page. How many letters have you sent out today?

    Here's my point: don't just vent on DP. Tell someone in the position to influence the situation. Maybe if enough people had spoken up in the early days of the DMCA, it would have never made it to law. Let's not let this one get through the grate as well.

    The reasons I propose email:

    1) It's a lot easier to motivate people to send email than it is to motivate people to spend $35 to snail mail every U.S. senator.

    2) Whether it is electronic or hard copy, it's going to get filtered through interns and staff. The way to create an impression is with VOLUME. Email is a good way to generate volume in a short amount of time. Besides, usually one letter isn't enough to create an impact. It's a lot more economical (not to mention environmentally sound) to send 100 emails every day for a month than it is to send 100 hard copy letters every day for a month (that's over $1000 in postage).

    So if you want to write letters, fine. Do it. Just do something.

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    Re: Message to Americans: Speak UP! (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 22:26:55 BST

    Thank you for listing the two reasons why the government will pay more attention to a hand written snail mail letter over email.

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    Re: Message to Americans: Speak UP! (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 12 @ 19:45:19 BST

    Fine. So I ask again... how many letters have you sent so far?

    Rather than debating the merits of hardcopy versus email, how about doing something productive.

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    Sign the Petition Opposing DMCA (Score: -1, Redundant)
    by Anonymous on Monday, September 10 @ 21:12:32 BST

    This message is probably too late, seeing that most have already read the article :(. But, here is a petition to oppose this shit: http://www.petitiononline.com/SSSCA/petition.html

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    *ahem* (Score: 2, Interesting)
    by DanielS on Tuesday, September 11 @ 12:27:50 BST
    (User Info) http://kabuki.sfarc.net/daniel/

    OK, so that article was more than a little alarmist - my fault. I've reworked it, but too little too late; passions have been evoked. It is indeed a draft bill, and the title was definitely quite extreme. It's unfortunate to see the sort of comments that this thread has encouraged, and I hope we can all just stand back, take a deep breath and think about it rationally.

    🙂 d

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    Re: *ahem* (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, September 22 @ 13:03:44 BST

    Actually, you were right all along. AFAICS you broke this story days before other news outlets and the subsequent "it's not that bad" posts were basically wrong.

    It is that bad.

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