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    We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost)
    Posted on Tuesday, January 01 @ 20:10:20 GMT

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  • "We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost)" | Login/Create Account | 24 comments
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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 01 @ 20:34:51 GMT

    Nice to have you back!

    Greets Nick

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 1)
    by zadok on Tuesday, January 01 @ 20:38:36 GMT
    (User Info) http://www.zadok.uklinux.net/

    I see its back to alpha.debianplanet.org

    Coops

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, January 03 @ 08:59:44 GMT

    www.debianplanet.org is still being served off debianplanet.uklinux.net, due to DNS taking a while to change over. So, when you go to www.debianplanet.org, that's served by ukLinux, which just bounces you over to alpha. That'll improve once DNS ... un-caches. 🙂

    -DanielS

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost) (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 01 @ 23:49:23 GMT

    Time to invest in raid?

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    Re: RAID vs backup (Score: 1)
    by matseng (mats1@nerdlabs.org) on Wednesday, January 02 @ 06:38:22 GMT
    (User Info)

    RAID is a good thing, but it isn't a replacement for real backups.

    RAID can only cope with hardware errors like a disk crash, but if the software goes berserk and overwrites some important files or the root user does a rm -rf / then only a real backup can save your butt.

    -mem

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    Re: RAID vs backup (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 02 @ 09:26:43 GMT

    And having RAID disks won't help you a lot when there is a fire in the server room...

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    Re: RAID vs backup (Score: 1)
    by AfroDawg on Wednesday, January 02 @ 16:15:49 GMT
    (User Info) http://d-oh.org/

    If RAID had been used, this site would likely not have gone down, or lost any of its data. Combine that with backups (including off-site backups), and you got yourself a real nice backup solution. Keep in mind that hard drive crashes are probably more common than rm -rf /'s or fires, so using RAID is probably more useful than taking just backups. But yeah, if you care about your data, RAID + Backups are the way to go.

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    Re: RAID vs backup (Score: 1)
    by matseng (mats1@nerdlabs.org) on Wednesday, January 02 @ 20:49:43 GMT
    (User Info)

    What you say is true for most servers. But for a web-server connected to internet I believe that the risk to be hacked/owned is greater than a disk-crash. Atleast if the disk has passed the infant-mortality stage and the server is running additional vulnerable services like ssh, sendmail and dns.

    But as you said, combining off-site backups with a RAID-class that have parity and/or mirroring would be the ultimate alternative.

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    Re: RAID vs backup (Score: 1)
    by AfroDawg on Wednesday, January 02 @ 23:43:47 GMT
    (User Info) http://d-oh.org/

    True that. However, if you only run web/ssh/smtp/dns, then switching using qmail for SMTP and djbdns for DNS means that you only have to worry about Apache and SSH. Stay on top of security updates (and make sure you have a sysadmin who knows what he's doing), and I think security becomes a much smaller problem.

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    People loves raid (Score: 1)
    by ml on Wednesday, January 02 @ 10:17:22 GMT
    (User Info)

    People @work loves raid... at night they come to steal disks on the brand new array. (time to change the door's pin code).

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    We have RAID. (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, January 03 @ 09:00:29 GMT

    The server it's hosted on has RAID, I believe. AIUI, there was a catastrophic failure in more than one drive.

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    Re: We have RAID. (Score: 1)
    by DanielS on Thursday, January 03 @ 09:14:50 GMT
    (User Info) http://piro.kabuki.sfarc.net/daniel/

    Yep, that was me. Just discovered the Email Password bit, conveniently hidden right at the bottom of the Your Account page. *sigh*.

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    Re: We have RAID. (Score: 1)
    by AfroDawg on Thursday, January 03 @ 23:50:00 GMT
    (User Info) http://d-oh.org/

    Dang, that really sucks. What hard drives were used?

    Good thing I used the word likely in my other post (that with RAID this site would've "likely not have gone down") - I guess the unlikely just happened.

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 02 @ 14:54:49 GMT

    cannot pull the AvantGO / Palm format from http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/palm.php

    🙁

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 1)
    by zadok on Wednesday, January 02 @ 18:32:41 GMT
    (User Info) http://www.zadok.uklinux.net/

    It now works as:

    http://alpha.debianplanet.org/palm.php

    (temporarly?)

    Coops

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 1)
    by zadok on Wednesday, January 02 @ 18:33:45 GMT
    (User Info) http://www.zadok.uklinux.net/

    but now I try it -- none of the links work 🙁

    Coops

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, January 03 @ 09:01:06 GMT

    Try http://alpha.debianplanet.org/palm.php.

    -DanielS

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost (Score: 1)
    by zadok on Thursday, January 03 @ 18:55:02 GMT
    (User Info) http://www.zadok.uklinux.net/

    Yeh -- but none of the links work!

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    How best to backup PHPNuke based Websites? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 02 @ 19:11:06 GMT

    I'm also maintaining an PHP Nuke based webside.

    I'm also thinking about a good backup strategy.

    My idea was to backup the databases (MySQL) every 4-6 hours and the php/html files every night?

    Any better ideas?

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    Re: How best to backup PHPNuke based Websites? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 02 @ 23:14:35 GMT

    Sounds like a good strategy to me - Make sure to keep at least 7 days of backups, and 4 weekly snapshots. That way you should be able to deal with any data-corruption issues:)

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    Re: How best to backup PHPNuke based Websites? (Score: 1)
    by AfroDawg on Wednesday, January 02 @ 23:45:41 GMT
    (User Info) http://d-oh.org/

    Also be sure to run RAID-1 or RAID-5 if ya can. And see if you can encrypt the backup files and scp them to a different server at a different physical location.

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    Re: How best to backup PHPNuke based Websites? (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Thursday, January 03 @ 09:02:32 GMT

    I strongly suggest you *don't* use PHP-Nuke. It's god-awful code, hacks on top of hacks on top of hacks, and has security vulnerabilities, as has been shown. Our alternative, DPv2 (aka phoenix-ng) isn't quite ready for prime time, but you can have a look at our SourceForge project nevertheless.

    -DanielS

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    Re: How best to backup PHPNuke based Websites? (Score: 1)
    by AfroDawg on Thursday, January 03 @ 23:47:19 GMT
    (User Info) http://d-oh.org/

    Or you could try PostNuke.

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    Re: We have normality, I repeat we have normality... (almost) (Score: 1)
    by sax (frogger3d@hotmail.com) on Wednesday, January 02 @ 19:25:23 GMT
    (User Info)

    Thanks for coming back! 🙂

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