<br /> Debian: The Past, The Present and the Future – Debian Planet

Welcome to Debian Planet

News for Debian. Stuff that *really* matters

Sponsorship

DP is sponsored by Xinit Systems.

Domains paid for and hosted by uklinux.net.

Buy your Debian merchandise at DebianShop.com.

Debian
These are important Debian sites one should not be without!

  • Official Debian site
  • Package search
  • Mailing list archives
  • Bug reports
  • Debian on CD
  • Debian Weekly News — excellent news source!
  • Unofficial APT sources
    (apt-get.org)

  • Developers’ Corner
  • Community
    Need help? You’re not alone on this planet.

  • Planet Debian
  • debianHELP
    (User support site)

  • Debian International
  • DebianForum.de
    (Deutsch)

  • DebianForum.dk
    (Dansk)

  • EsDebian
    (Español)

  • DebianWorld
    (Français)

  • Debian-Fr
    (Français)

  • MaximumDebian
    (Italiano)

  • DebianItalia
    (Italiano)
  • DebianUsers
    (한국어)

  • Debian-BR
    (Português)

  • DebianHOWTO
    (Deutsch)

  • Russian Debian (Русский)
  • Debian-JP
    (日本語)
  • Debian Suisse
    (Suisse)
  • Contribute
    Got that latest or greatest scoop? Perhaps you have some important news for the Debian community? Submit a news item!

    Or perhaps you’ve written a rather ground breaking insight into some aspect of Debian and you feel compelled to share it with others? Knock up a longer editorial article and send it to the editors.

    General feedback should be sent to staff@debianplanet.org

    IRC
    The place to get help on a Debian problem (after reading docs) or to just chat and chill is #debian on irc.oftc.net.

    Many of the Debian Planet staff live there so pop by and say hello.

    Debian Planet also has its own channel on the same network called #debianplanet.

    Donate
    Support Debian through Bytemark Hosting. At least £7 will be given for each new account

    Syndicate
    XML

    Debian: The Past, The Present and the Future
    Submitted by o-o on Friday, October 25, 2002 – 06:53
    DebianHere is a talk that I gave last Tuesday at the Free Software Symphosium in Tokyo. It gives a brief overview about Debian, goes a bit into packaging, discusses core elements. Very superficial stuff not for hardcore people. Also does some graphs on the statistics for maintainers/packages/arches over time and tries to extrapolate the future development from those. Brief intro to source based distributions. Then concludes with an advertisement how my new package manger, uPM could solve some issues.
    Category: News

    Control panel

    Comment viewing options:



    Select your prefered way to display the comments and click ‘Update settings’ to activate your changes.

    Subject: uPM in the future
    Author: RazorBlade
    Date: Sunday, 2002/10/27 – 02:50
    Does anyone know if there are any plans by Debian developers to test and uPM for (possible) future use?

    It really does sound like it is addressing some issues faced – but nothing’s perfect right out of the box 😉 Not only that testing by Debian developers would highlight/address places where there are problems.

    Let’s contribute *back* to Linux!!!

    [ Please login, or register ]

    Subject: if dpkg aint broken , why try and fix it?
    Author: fixer
    Date: Saturday, 2002/10/26 – 22:34
    hey ,

    Is simplifying package descriptions a solution?
    will converting all debs into uPM solve the problem?
    why screw dpkg if it works well, is versatile and meets most of debian users needs.

    with more than 9000 packages, multiple architectures, different kernels (linux, hurd, netbsd), and the debian project is lagging and lacking ( according to some freak who knows sh**t about debian), is’nt obvious the problem is not with the package manager. we need to cut down the sheer number of packages in the first place.

    on the same note, increasing the number of packages per maintainer also is a VERY bad idea. humans (especially man) is good at doing one thing at a time. tracking multiple packages, their patches and testing them and getting feedback etc is be an complex task, no matter how simple the package manager.

    may be debian could split the package tree into core, and secondary packages. most use stuff like sed or gcc or a desktop package. it wont be difficult for debian package maintainers/developers to find out info on most used packages and least used / orphaned packages, would it?

    thanks

    p.s: i do think that uPM is cool though, especially triggers and inheritance of build instructions.

    [ Please login, or register ]

     

    Subject: Hmm
    Author: RazorBlade
    Date: Sunday, 2002/10/27 – 02:46
    >>Is simplifying package descriptions a solution?
    >>why screw dpkg if it works well, is versatile and meets most of debian users needs.
    From what I read he’s trying to simplify the maintainer’s job. By extension the user will get more tangible benefits as well. Besides, anything that simplifies the maintainer’s job is a great start.

    >>( according to some freak who knows sh**t about debian)
    Oh I don’t know. If he developed alien/debmake I would assume he knows quite a bit about Debian 🙂

    Let’s contribute *back* to Linux!!!

    [ Please login, or register ]

     

    Subject: tangible benefits??
    Author: fixer
    Date: Sunday, 2002/10/27 – 10:44
    hey,

    >> From what I read he’s trying to simplify the maintainer’s job. By extension the user will get more tangible benefits as well.

    what kind of tangible benefits?? i think simplification as in uPM is a kind of over simplification. from a pure users perspective, that means a deal lost in flexibility. when i install an app in wind**s, i have a choice of where to install , what to install ( custom) etc.

    In a source based distro like gentoo, i can get a similar kind of flexibility, by using USE variables. example, i can compile kde with sdl support but no ldap. should’nt we be taking such a direction in debian? can you achieve similar flexibility while at the same time simplifying package maintenance?

    >> Besides, anything that simplifies the maintainer’s job is a great start.
    but does it??

    [ Please login, or register ]

     

    Subject: oops, didnt mean dat!!
    Author: fixer
    Date: Sunday, 2002/10/27 – 10:30
    hey,

    >( according to some freak who knows sh**t about debian)
    |>> Oh I don’t know. If he developed alien/debmake I would assume he knows quite a bit about Debian 🙂

    i was just pointing trying to point out that among those who critisize debian are people who has never used debian before and expects it to be suse or redhat or whatever, without understanding the basic debian philosophy of free, stable and tested packages.

    i was’nt talking about christoph lameter (uPM/telemetry developer) at all. As a long time debian user, i appreciate and support his effort to try and solve problems in debian.

    sorry for the mis-understanding .

    cheers

    [ Please login, or register ]

    Subject: developers thoughts on uPM
    Author: binaryfeed
    Date: Saturday, 2002/10/26 – 03:31
    I’m wondering how the key debian developers feel about uPM. Every time anyone ever talks about moving away from dpkg (even just to a new version of dpkg) people freak out. How do they feel about uPM?
    [ Please login, or register ]

    Subject: excellent
    Author: shark
    Date: Friday, 2002/10/25 – 21:22
    That was a very nice read. I’ve been around Debian (as a user) for about 6 years but even for me there was some interesting info about Debian’s history and developement that I didn’t know before.

    Oh and uPM sounds cool – hopefully we’ll have that in Debian eventually.

    Thanks!

    [ Please login, or register ]

    Search articles



    Category
    ·News (325)
    ·Features (5)
    ·Site News (14)
    ·HOWTOs (58)
    ·Tips (17)
    ·Opinion (25)
    ·Q & A (25)
    ·Sponsorship (1)
    ·Press Releases (2)

    Log in
    Username:

    Password:

    Remember me

    » Register
    » New password

    Debian Security Announcements
    DSA-690 bsmtpd
    DSA-689 libapache-mod-python
    DSA-688 squid
    DSA-687 bidwatcher
    DSA-686 gftp
    DSA-685 emacs21
    DSA-684 typespeed
    DSA-683 postgresql
    DSA-682 awstats
    DSA-681 synaesthesia

    Planet Debian
    Benjamin Mako Hill: Guts
    Wouter Verhelst: FOSDEM
    Andrew Pollock: [debian] How closely do you work with your upstream software author?
    Ross Burton: Bag Man
    MJ Ray: Oddments
    Pablo Lorenzzoni: And elanor was not guilty after all… (a Twilight Zone episode)
    Emanuele Rocca: The media’s portrayal of hacking
    Michael Banck: 23 Feb 2005
    John Goerzen: Some Snapshots of Rural Life
    Norbert Tretkowski: I need vacation

    Latest poll: Which release scheme should Debian follow?
    Continue this way (release when ready)
    Give up on releasing
    Split the release up
    Speed the release up
    Crank the workload up (see DebianWiki ReleaseProposals for details on these)

    home · archives · news feeds · about · polls · search · sections · user account

    Powered by the amazing Drupal

    Debian Planet is not officially related to the Debian Project.
    Debian and the Debian logo are trademarks of Software in the Public Interest, Inc.