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    DPL elections
    Submitted by robster on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 – 19:25
    DebianThe nomination period for the Debian Project Leader (DPL) elections has begun today and will last until February 14. The announcement, along with information on the campaign and voting period, due to start at the end of the nomination period, was made by the Debian secretary, Manoj Srivastava. The voting period will end on March 28th.
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    Subject: mostly off topic
    Author: cbcbcb
    Date: Wednesday, 2003/01/29 – 19:50
    How is the gcc 3.2 transition going? There don’t seem to have been any new ‘c102’ packages uploaded in the last week or so? There’s no mention of it in debian weekly news. Would somebody in debian like to do a brief status report to say what’s going on?

    And for the on topic bit: Perhaps anyone who is thinking of standing for DPL should think about improving support for new hardware in the stable distribution. It’s counterproductive that the Debian policy of keeping all software in stable identical, except for bug fixes and security updates means that I can rarely recommend Debian to anybody because they have hardware which needs support from a later kernel, or newer version of X or whatever. Most users don’t care about having the latest KDE or which glibc they use, but they do need their hardware to work!

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    Subject: You can create your own kerne
    Author: nezumi
    Date: Thursday, 2003/01/30 – 09:03
    You can create your own kernel-image deb with kernel-package. It’s an easy task. As for XFree86 — there’re a number of XFree86 4.2 backports to woody, look at www.apt-get.org. Actually I like Debian policy of keeping all software in stable identical. There’s also another option of having latest packages: using testing or unstable, although it’s not for novice users anyway.
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    Subject: I know *I* can
    Author: cbcbcb
    Date: Thursday, 2003/01/30 – 10:02
    I know I can update a Debian box – I run unstable and 2.5 kernels, CVS snapshots of KDE etc. However, Debian is supposed to be usable by people who don’t know anything about this stuff.

    1. Recompiling the kernel isn’t necessarily enough, eg, if in the future a 2.6 kernel is required to boot – you need new module tools too – this happened with 2.4 kernels in potato.

    2. A new Linux user probably doesn’t know how to compile a kernel, and may not be able to if s/he doesn’t already have a linux box

    3. You can’t tell people that they have to install Linux, but that it doesn’t work until they download 10s of Megabytes of stuff from an unofficial source, which doesn’t have the security support, or level of testing that Debian provides, because they will prefer to buy RedHat, or SuSE or Mandrake or any other distribution which just works.

    4. Apt-get.org doesn’t seem to help people on non-x86 architectures.

    5. Testing is hopeless for people on dialup connections – bringing your system up to date for security can bring in many megabytes of new glibc, new X, and still carries considerable risk of breaking

    6. Unofficial packages often suck – they can have missing dependencies or fail to build from source

    Debian is fantastic when it works properly. I just want to see it work properly more of the time 🙂

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    Subject: I know *I* can
    Author: cbcbcb
    Date: Thursday, 2003/01/30 – 10:02
    I know I can update a Debian box – I run unstable and 2.5 kernels, CVS snapshots of KDE etc. However, Debian is supposed to be usable by people who don’t know anything about this stuff.

    1. Recompiling the kernel isn’t necessarily enough, eg, if in the future a 2.6 kernel is required to boot – you need new module tools too – this happened with 2.4 kernels in potato.

    2. A new Linux user probably doesn’t know how to compile a kernel, and may not be able to if s/he doesn’t already have a linux box

    3. You can’t tell people that they have to install Linux, but that it doesn’t work until they download 10s of Megabytes of stuff from an unofficial source, which doesn’t have the security support, or level of testing that Debian provides, because they will prefer to buy RedHat, or SuSE or Mandrake or any other distribution which just works.

    4. Apt-get.org doesn’t seem to help people on non-x86 architectures.

    5. Testing is hopeless for people on dialup connections – bringing your system up to date for security can bring in many megabytes of new glibc, new X, and still carries considerable risk of breaking

    6. Unofficial packages often suck – they can have missing dependencies or fail to build from source

    Debian is fantastic when it works properly. I just want to see it work properly more of the time 🙂

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    Subject: Nothing is impossible, but…
    Author: Zomb
    Date: Thursday, 2003/01/30 – 16:09
    The thing you request is possible, however hits few problems among the Debian developers:

    • manpower – it is required to do the things. Talking is easy, doing burns lots of spare time. Especially developing for something yo u do not use on your own machine (read: taking care about backport’ability of the package)
    • motivation – it is extremely confusing when some backport developer works hard on making stable package work in stable environment, and other give a fuck on this and destabilize the development branch, intetionaly or not intentionaly
    • cooperation – lots of things needed to develop new structures are bad documented and if someone wants to change it, it requires support and cooperation of current maintainers. And they often do not want to support such things (feel free to call it lazyness)

    Please look at the so called Debian Working distribution that was concepted by Raphael Hertzog, one of the DPL candidates in the last year.

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    Subject: Is there an option to nominat
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Wednesday, 2003/01/29 – 04:39
    Is there an option to nominate Robot101/CowboyNeal? 😉
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