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    GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian (UPDATED)
    Submitted by robster on Sunday, February 18, 2001 – 12:08
    Ximian has packaged the recent GNOME 1.4 beta 1 release called “Oops, We Did it Again.” Read the Gnotices story here. Warning: these may break your system badly!!



    Try: deb ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian/1.4beta1/distributions/debian unstable main as your apt source line. We’d love to hear of your experiances with this, so post comments below…


    Netsnipe (10:12GMT Feb22): I’ve just added a nice little tip for all you cvs GNOME application fans.
    Netsnipe’s Tip: Well I’ve been one of the cvs bleeding-edge addicts on #debian, so if there’s a cvs deb FTP server around, it’s likely that I’m using it = ) (except Gnome1.4beta from Ximian may seems a little too foolhardy even for me at this stage). One key tool that any GNOME beta tester should be aware about, is oaf-slay, and this tool will come very handy later on. If any rather unstable betas that you’re using which are using the Oaf libraries crashes and leave a tonnes of threads laying around. su to a termial and run “oaf-slay”. Make you try to save any work in any GNOME applications that may be still running before trying this. This program WILL ruthlessly terminate any programs that use the lib-oaf0 libraries and they currently include eog, Evolution, gnome-gv and Nautilus. Applications that rely on bonobo and libgtkhtml7 may also be at risk from the warth oaf-slay. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. Too bad not all GNOME stuff works so ruthlessly well as oaf-slay = P

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    Subject: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2001/02/20 – 07:08
    I’ve been using Ximian Gnome for a while and it is hard to make it work with all those clone packages in Debian’s pool, can something be done with this? Maybe some option in apt-get to make it only download gnome packages from ximian’s site?
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    Subject: Re: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Integral
    Date: Thursday, 2001/02/22 – 13:23
    The recently released apt 0.5 has this functionality.
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    Subject: Re: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Caoilte
    Date: Wednesday, 2001/02/21 – 02:43
    my advice.

    ignore the 1.4 beta. is entirely a pr stunt (pre kde 2.1).
    ignore ximian debs they just aren’t as good as the sid ones. they may come out a few days earlier _but_ they are less likely to work and more likely to break some other app (the number of ximian versions of libs that break unstable debs not even in the ximian tree is sizeable).

    remove the line from your sources list and the transition back to sid versions should painlessly happen when the next version comes out (a quite amazing testament to the system if you think about it).

    probably not what you wanted to hear

    Caoilte

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    Subject: Re: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Wednesday, 2001/02/21 – 07:07
    I know this release is badly broken in many aspects, but I just had to try it out! And I know debian´s packages will integrate much better than ximian´s, but still the problem exists and it should exist a workaround. right now I don’t have the bandwidth to go back and compare.
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    Subject: Re: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Caoilte
    Date: Wednesday, 2001/02/21 – 10:43
    ok. sorry to lecture before.

    why should there be a workaround?
    apt will select the debs with the highest version number, which will be the 1.3 tree while it lasts – that’s its entire point.

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    Subject: Re: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Wednesday, 2001/02/21 – 12:43
    Not only in the Ximian Gnome case it would be helpful, but also in the case we prefer to use packages from another pool, no matter what version they are. Say that we have our own pool of packages that we have modified and compiled for whatever reason.

    I don’t think it should be hard to add a keyword to the format of sources.list to do this. I know you’ll say: “Do it yourself, blahblah”, as you people always do. I just think it would improve apt and make my life and the lifes of other people easier.

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    Subject: Re: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Caoilte
    Date: Wednesday, 2001/02/21 – 14:34
    have you seen the number of wishlist bugs for apt…

    it could be good though. *equally* it could screw your setup in just as many ways as the present system (and more obscurely). for example,

    source A takes preference over sid. It contains and older version of libA **cough** bonobo **cough**

    you want package B from sid but it depends on a newer version of libA. libA is NOT EVEN VISIBLE NOW to your package manager and apt-get throws a tantrum that looks like sids fault.

    the only way to get round this is to have *TWO* versions of the same package in the dependency database (i think not).

    now imagine the same setup with progeny’s rather larger source list (and more important apps that could stall).

    it would be *messy* AND very complex to implement in apt.

    why bother?
    no one said apt-get was perfect or even great (it’s the unstable tree with carefully checked dependencies that rocks).

    Caoilte

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    Subject: Re: Ximian VS Debian?
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Wednesday, 2001/02/21 – 15:36
    In the case you mention, apt should SEE the situation and say: “The program you want to install needs a newer version that is present in B but won’t be installed because you told me not to. You can force the installation using option X…”

    The problem will remain, but at least you will have more control on what apt would do.

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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2001/02/20 – 03:29
    no problems here.
    seams to be quite stable and not much had changed. but i still can’t get evolution AND nautilus working. this is not a big problem, cause i don’t need nautilus, but it would still be nice to have both. also nautilus should be the biggest change for gnome 1.4 so it’s quite weird to have gnome 1.4 but no nautilus. 😉

    also i’m not sure, if i have all packages installed. for example, “xalf” wasn’t installed until i did this manually. maybe i’m missing some other neat 1.4 stuff, but there is not task-helix-gnome metapackage, or am i wrong? would be neat to have a meta package for gnome 1.4.

    also i just found out about gtk-engines-raleigh. i think this is a must have package for every gnome user! 🙂 great theme and i’m really looking forward to Gtk2.
    i like raleigh even more than crux (also crux is some more eye candy)

    Spark

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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: ShOOf
    Date: Monday, 2001/02/19 – 16:28
    I installed the gnome 1.4 debs and apart from a few dependcy issues whioch were easily fixed, it runs great with E and and xinerama
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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2001/03/01 – 13:59
    I installed GNOME 1.4 on a potato box. There seems to be some dependency issues which I am not able to resolve. The problem is that Nautilus depends on rpm_3.0.5 while I have rpm_3.0.3 on potato. And rpm_3.0.5 is available only in unstable branch. I do not want to upgrade my box to unstable branch(too painful to do on a dialup).

    Why should nautilus on Debian depend on rpm on the first place?

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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2001/02/18 – 23:02
    I tried it on my machine, and it caused some weird problems. The new version of GDM included (2.98.x) caused my X process to max out and lock the display. I had to ssh into it via my laptop just to kill it, and downgrade to gdm 2.0b4… I’d suggest putting gdm on hold, but the rest is nice.

    By the way, has anyone managed to get the embedded Mozilla to work in Nautilus?

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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: pflipp
    Date: Monday, 2001/02/19 – 11:07
    By the way, has anyone managed to get the embedded Mozilla to work in Nautilus?

    At least I haven’t with Nautilus PR3 from sid (so not Ximian’s). Couldn’t find an obvious reason, there were no clear error messsagers.

    Either it’s inherent to Nautilus PR3 (which would surprise me) or Ximian’s and sid’s Debian packages are related and share some bug (which wouldn’t surprise me).

    Greets,

    Pflipp

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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: pflipp
    Date: Monday, 2001/02/19 – 11:09
    (or PR3 relies on Mozilla >= 0.6 && Mozilla != M18, which could very well be)
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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: ashridah
    Date: Sunday, 2001/02/18 – 15:02
    well. i upgraded my helix gnome 1.2 from helixcode/ximian
    it looks nice, some upgraded icons, that sort of thing.
    then i noticed that sawfish keeps dying
    i’m using version 0.37.2-ximian.2 and sawfish-gnome of the same version, and they keep segfaulting every now and then, leaving me without any sort of window manager at all, just the gnome environment
    i’ve had to fall back on wmaker for the time being, (which luckily doesn’t intrude too much 🙂
    still, nothing seems majorly new, but it’s not a step backwards either
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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: ashridah
    Date: Monday, 2001/02/19 – 10:32
    whoopsy, still had crappy helix packages about for rep and rep-gtk-gnome
    basically, those were at fault, i suggest you purge anything with helix in the title, and get normal ones from a normal debian site (i’m doing the same here as we speak) then get ximian’s betas for anything they offer
    (dpkg -l |grep hel > somefile.txt gives a decent list of helix versioned packages you have. kill them off with dpkg –purge –force-depends, and make sure you reinstall them again from normal debian sources, instead of helix ones)
    helixgnome 1.2 and ximian gnome 1.4b1 don’t mix well 🙂
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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: zipht
    Date: Sunday, 2001/02/18 – 23:02
    hmmm, i too seem to be having this problem. but im using 0.36-helix and no gnome. i dont think this is an debian problem because i make sawfish from cvs and still got segfaults. werd eh?
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    Subject: Re: GNOME 1.4 Beta1 debs from Ximian
    Author: salimma
    Date: Sunday, 2001/02/18 – 20:46
    I switched from Debian to Mandrake, and then Red Hat, and now that Woody is finally sorted out (GLibC 2.2, XFree 4.0.2, etc.) and GNOME 1.4 beta is out I’m moving back…
    Still waiting for the unofficial CD images to download – guess I might have to play with E 0.17-DR for a while then :p.
    What’s new in Sawfish 0.37? 0.36 works fine, perhaps you can downgrade for the moment..
    Regards,
    Michel
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