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    GNOME 2.0.1 Desktop RC1: “Not Considered Harmful” released
    Submitted by robot101 on Friday, August 09, 2002 – 20:44
    GNOMEThe first release candidate for the first point release of the GNOME 2 Desktop is now available on GNOME mirrors. Whilst it’s not in Debian yet, we like GNOME so we’re posting it straight away (read: robot101 is a hopeless gnome weenie 😉 –joy). The last I heard, the plan is to put GNOME 2 into unstable when 2.0.1 (final) is out. As with all 2.0.x releases, the focus is bug fixes, UI tweaks, translation and general polishing. See the announcement and list of closed bugs.
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    Subject: Thread hijack?
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/08/13 – 00:23
    To add to the hijacking of this Gnome2, now-become KDE3 thread, I have installed both Gnome2 and KDE3, having no previous prejudice or religious bias toward either system. Thought I’d give them both a trial. Previously, I was an enlightenment man, with just the kde and gnome libs to run a few apps.

    Post install, am fixing to keep KDE3, and throw Gnome2 back, and maybe keep enlightenment for safe keeping.

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    Subject: This is an unfair comparison
    Author: robot101
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/08/14 – 00:52
    GNOME 2 really isn’t finished compared to KDE 3. Lots of apps need porting and bugs rounded off etc. I hope you’ll consider another look in 2 or 3 months.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: huh?
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/08/14 – 22:45
    Maybe I misunderstood after reading the release info at the Gnome site…. but hasn’t Gnome2 been ‘officially released’ now?

    People quickly mock a certain unnamed Redmond corporation when their software/OS releases are not up to par.

    KDE3.0 worked a treat for me from day one. I presumed Gnome2 would also.

    Who is Robster and why is he a monkey? 😉

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    Subject: It is a full developer release not realy fit for users
    Author: quinticent
    Date: Thursday, 2002/08/15 – 16:18
    The 2.0 monkier was to signal to developers that the API is frozen and they should no longer develop for 1.0. As it is users can use 2.0 with the 1.0 programs but most of the 2.0 ports are not stable yet. Apart from the usual bugs that come with .0 releases Gnome 2.0 is quite usable and the new point release should fix any major errors. 2.2 to be released I am hoping in the fall is supposed to be the users release with most of the important apps and themes ported.


    J5

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    Subject: Heh
    Author: robster
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/08/14 – 23:08
    You dont know who i am? 🙁
    I’m a monkey because i gibber like mad and hit random keys as an impression of typing 🙂

    Rob ‘robster’ Bradford
    Founder: http://www.debianplanet.org/
    Developer: http://www.debian.org/
    Monkey with keyboard: http://www.robster.org.uk/
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    Subject: Ahhh that’s better….
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/08/18 – 00:16
    Have now figured out how to make my own signature. This one is more fitting. 😉


    Robot101 is really Comicbook Guy in disguise.

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    Subject: Hmmm…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Sunday, 2002/08/18 – 12:42
    Do you have to put a lot of effort into being so annoying, or does it come naturally? =)

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: Hmmm…. very dodgy!
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/08/18 – 00:08
    Somehow after typing that message, a signature has automagically appearred for my account here (see below) without my doing. I am guessing that someone has used that Robot101 editor package again….

    “Who is Robster and why is he a monkey? ;-)”
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    Subject: How can GNOME be so quick?
    Author: chakie
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 08:46
    How can GNOME be so quick to get packages done? The 2.0.1 rc1 can’t be too old, and it already has more or less official packages created. While KDE 3.x is half a year old, I still haven’t seen anything about it for Debian, at least nothing more official.

    I don’t want to flame, and as I’m not skilled enough to help out with packages, I’ll wait for them to eventually appear some day. But what makes KDE so much slower to get Debianized compared to Gnome? Is there some kind of anti-KDE attitude among Debian developers, or just a hardcore pro-Gnome one?

    Just curious.

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    Subject: Packages have been here for ages
    Author: DanielS
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 12:00
    KDE 3.x packages have been around for ages. The current place to find them is http://www.davidpashley.com/kde.txt; read the instructions in there. If you need help, drop into #debian-kde on irc.openprojects.net, after reading kde.txt.
    Among Debian, some people are there for the capital-F-Free part, and buy into the whole “Qt was non-Free once, therefore it must suck” argument – their loss. Sadly, some DP staff seem to have this attitude, and continue spreading bullshit FUD about KDE; try to ignore this, and judge for yourself, with the debs.
    Daniel.
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    Subject: KDE debs
    Author: chakie
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 13:13
    I’ve seen those debs, but never dared to run them. I need my system on a daily basis for work, and the warning text makes it pretty certain that the whole thing will break into small pieces. I’m thus a bit reluctant to try out packages that will need to be forced in.

    I’ve once installed some Python stuff from an “unofficial” source, and had so many conflicts and problems when the same stuff eventually appeared into the official Debian sources that I’m avoiding the same mistake if possible.

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    Subject: These debs…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 14:58
    Are the basis of what will be uploaded to Debian, not just random binaries in debs. As Daniel says, they do indeed work – I’ve tried them too.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: These work
    Author: DanielS
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 13:18
    I run them on several desktops, no worries. It’s being deployed as part of a volunteer computer handout organization I work with – from the debs – and more, no worries.
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    Subject: KDE is big and hairy
    Author: robot101
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 10:25
    I think the subject says it all. Other distributions will be inclined to put kde into one big bundle of flergh and put it in /opt/kde. You can’t do that in debian. It has to be split up into logical units, each has to be given a description and appropriate relations to other packages. Even the kdelibs package is coming under scrutiny for separation because not all of the .so files within change so version together. Anyway, the KDE packages available already at calc.cx (IIRC) are by the official KDE maintainer in Debian. He will upload them when they are ready.

    As for GNOME, the point release of the desktop just takes relatively recent releases of all the GNOME packages included, and says they work well together. The individual packages have already been released and had some time in which to upload to Debian. And the GNOME maintainers have a much greater upload-first ask-questions-later mentality, and lots of time on their hands, it seems.

    Robster is a monkey

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    Subject: Bullshit, Rob.
    Author: DanielS
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 11:53
    I could say that GNOME is “big, fat, hairy and ugly”. But I won’t. The only difference between KDE and GNOME’s “bloat” is that KDE has it all in a couple of select libs, whereas GNOME has it split into many libs. Net difference? NONE.
    These stupid trolls by a stupid troll are achieving nothing, so I suggest you shut the fuck up, and try to learn something before you go on with your ranting bullshit.
    For your information, KDE 3.0.2 is the latest public release, and debs for it have been available for ages. KDE 3.0.3 has been released to packagers, and there should be debs within a couple of days.
    Absolutely no regards,
    Daniel.
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    Subject: Uh…
    Author: robot101
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 12:04
    I didn’t say that KDE was bloated, or that GNOME wasn’t lib-bloated gratuitously to the detriment of all (esp performance and apt on low memory machines). The comment was just the outcome of a conversation with calc yesterday on the minutae of handling the number of libraries in the kdelibs package. Other distributions make kde into a big blob and replace it summarily with each KDE release. That approach is less acceptable in Debian, hence calc looking in to splitting them. This makes KDE more complicated to package. I’m not trolling here, you’re grossly over-reacting.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: dist-upgrade removing gnome2?
    Author: hot chilli
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 02:46
    [01:40 PM 12-Aug-02]$ apt-get -d -y dist-upgrade
    Reading Package Lists… Done
    Building Dependency Tree… Done
    Calculating Upgrade… Done
    The following packages will be REMOVED:
    bug-buddy eog2 file-roller2 galeon-snapshot gconf-editor gedit gimp1.3
    glade-gnome-2 gnome-applets2 gnome-control-center2 gnome-media2
    gnome-panel-data2 gnome-panel2 gnome-session2 gnome-system-monitor
    gnome-utils gnome2 libbonoboui2-dev libgail16 libgimp1.3 libglade2-dev
    libgnome2-segv libgnomecanvas2-dev libgnomeui-dev libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-dev
    libgtkspell-dev libgtkspell0 libpanel-applet2-0 libpanel-applet2-dev
    librsvg2-1 metatheme mozilla-browser-snapshot mozilla-snapshot-dev
    rep-gtk-gnome xpad
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
    libgail17 libglut3 libgtk2.0-0png3 libpisock8
    The following packages have been kept back
    blt debian-policy printtool sweep
    70 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 36 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
    Need to get 28.9MB/29.0MB of archives. After unpacking 116MB will be freed.
    0% [Working]

    GNU/Debian Sid(Intel) Using
    deb http://people.debian.org/~walters/debian/staging/ ./
    deb http://www.hadess.net/ /debian/

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    Subject: GTK
    Author: slash
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 18:52
    The GTK library is moving from libpng2 to libpng3. There are two versions; the one on your hard-disk and the other in sid. sid’s conflicts with yours. Applications which rely on both GTK and libpng will force a decision about the GTK version… and often removal 🙁

    .. it’s been getting better; there are more png3 packages coming out, and it should all be over soon AFAIK.

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    Subject: Exact same problem here:
    # a
    Author: SpaceMathieu
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 11:04
    Exact same problem here:
    # apt-get -uf dist-upgrade
    Reading Package Lists… Done
    Building Dependency Tree… Done
    Correcting dependencies… Done
    Calculating Upgrade… Done
    The following packages will be REMOVED:
    bug-buddy cupsys-bsd eog2 gconf-editor gdm2 gedit gimp1.3 gkdebconf gksu gnome-applets2 gnome-control-center2 gnome-gv
    gnome-media2 gnome-panel-data2 gnome-panel2 gnome-session2 gnome-system-monitor gnome-utils gnome2 gnomemeeting
    gtk-engines-mgicchikn gtkam gtkam-gimp libgail16 libgimp1.3 libgle-dev libgnome2-segv libgtk2.0-0 libpanel-applet2-0
    metatheme mozilla-browser-snapshot mozilla-mailnews-snapshot mozilla-psm-snapshot nautilus2-mozilla
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
    cpp-3.2 gcc-3.2 gcc-3.2-base gcj-3.2 libgail17 libgcj-common libgtk2.0-0png3
    The following packages have been kept back
    apt-src
    The following packages will be upgraded
    at-spi file-roller2 gconf2 gnome-desktop-data gnome-terminal gtk-engines-cleanice2 html2text libart-2.0-2 libatspi1.0-1
    libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcupsys2 libeel2-2 libeel2-data libgail-common libgail-gnome0 libgcc1 libgcj3
    libgcj3-dev libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libgle3 libgnome-desktop-0 libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomeprintui-0 libgnomeui-0 libgtk-common
    libgtk2.0-common libgtkhtml2-0 libldap2 libldap2-dev libmad0 libnautilus2-2 librsvg2-2 libwnck-common libwnck4 libzvt2.0-0
    metacity nautilus2 nautilus2-data nessus-plugins rep-gtk sawfish yelp
    44 packages upgraded, 7 newly installed, 34 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
    Need to get 16.1MB/23.8MB of archives. After unpacking 84.5MB will be freed.
    Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

    I will apt-get install one by one the packages that I want to upgrade to prevent my nice gnome2 from being trashed :).

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    Subject: Avoid major system breakage with apt-get upgrade
    Author: pwhysall
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/08/21 – 10:38
    I tripped over the png3 thing a while back and yes, apt wanted to remove a good chunk of my GNOME2 infrastructure.

    If you do apt-get upgrade rather than apt-get dist-upgrade apt won’t removing existing installed packages – instead, it’ll keep them back and just upgrade what can be upgraded.

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    Subject: Re: dist-upgrade removing gnome2?
    Author: atrus
    Date: Monday, 2002/08/12 – 07:49
    So what distribution are you upgrading from, and what distribution are you upgrading to?

    You know that dist-upgrade not supposed to be used when you’re just upgrading the packages on your system to the latest set in your current distribution, right?

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    Subject: Clarification
    Author: robot101
    Date: Sunday, 2002/08/11 – 03:21
    The ‘we’ in the above statement who like GNOME is me and robster. alp is more likely to just tolerate it, and Joy and zx64 probably give it a miss.

    Robster is a monkey
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    Subject: aye
    Author: Joy
    Date: Sunday, 2002/08/11 – 12:41
    I was just about to go change that “we” 🙂
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    Subject: .
    Author: grolschie
    Date: Sunday, 2002/08/11 – 10:46
    gnome2 seems a little slow compared with KDE3.01, or is it my system?
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    Subject: Mmh.
    Author: DanielS
    Date: Sunday, 2002/08/11 – 09:25
    And I’ll certainly give it a miss, thanks, despite having played with GNOME 2 for a bit.
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    Subject: Wow !
    Author: tomun
    Date: Saturday, 2002/08/10 – 00:43
    Thats an amazing number of bugs fixed in such a short time.
    There must be a lot of people that like GNOME 🙂

    It also says something about the quality of some .0 releases and why not to rush them into the archive..

    Linux And Main has this story on the proposed roadmap for GNOME 2.2.

    With luck (and the apparent enthusiasm of the developers) 2.2 should rock.

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