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    KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 and Woody
    Submitted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 09, 2002 – 22:15
    KDE…was posted on the debian-kde list.
    This HOWTO is in an early release form: It is not complete, but contains much useful information.
    I hope to update this once or twice per week, and will post it to the debian-kde list.

    DanielS: Shouldn’t let this pass without a note on KDE3. I hope to have kdelibs, kdebase and kdeutils (maybe more?) within a week.

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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 and Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Friday, 2002/02/15 – 12:30
    Here is a document that wishes to be the definitive reference on KDE installation on Woody and what does it say:

    Installing X Windows

    How many Unix/Linux newbies have been chastised for not saying X or The X Window System and then this document makes the same blunder.

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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 and Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2002/02/14 – 11:08
    Some KDE Myths.

    KDE Myth: Koffice owns, Kspread, Kword..they own, Gnome-office sucks.

    Truth:
    o Gnumeric has made some huge steps in the last 6 months, with the
    semi-intergration of Guppi (graphing)…its a very stable Spreadsheet
    application, offers many features that kspread dreams of. More Functions,
    more file filters,.. Kspread is more like a budget/cutdown version of
    Gnumeric.

    To put it blutantly KDE toolbars and general gui design are/have always
    been a mess.

    o Abiword also offers similar benefits of Gnumeric (features and File
    Filters) hey does Kword have a good import/exprt RTF?! alpha-quality? wtf?
    How long has Kword been in-existence? and they still cant properly render
    RTF still? Even the list of known filters (export and import) available
    looks very sad. http://www.koffice.org/filters/status.phtml

    Considering Abiword is also being developed for many other platforms, its
    done pretty well so far. Can you say WYSIWYG?

    o Kivio doesnt offer everything you would want, and if you want specific
    stencils, you have to fork out for them…Is this where FreeSoftware is
    going? We get cutdown versions of a product,… DIA isnt bound to a
    company hard bent in making a profit. So when DIA starts employing some of
    these Stencils, what happens then? you spent $$$ for nothing?

    http://www.thekompany.com/products/kivio/stencils.php3

    KDE Myth: Konq ownz mozilla, netscape etc…

    Truth: Mozilla is truely more standards complient, as of late 0.9.4+
    series, The Mozilla engine is really starting to shine now, Konq has
    always had a hard time rendering any DHTML/Javascript, even with some
    webpages the fonts are screwed.
    Mozilla isnt Perfect, but hey, everything renders properly. Konq trys to
    hard to be “Internet Explorer” on the linux desktop, Its time to
    completely drop the KHTML shit, If theres a better, more mature
    engine…use it. KHTML was once needed, now its not.. And if you want to
    Compare Gnome Galeon,..I dare you.

    Nautalus was once critised as being a slow, dog, rah rah.. well it was,
    yeah it was slow,…but it has improved, but it seems kde users still like
    to think that. Well if it makes you happy. Nautalus is very themeable

    http://jimmac.musichall.cz/screenshots/ximian-south-metatheme.jpeg Its a
    welcome change away from the Windows File Manager look.

    KDE Myth: GTK+ is just damn ugly

    So you havent tried the abundance of GTK+ themes? cleanice? eazel?
    thinice? pixmap?
    Yeah, Gtk themes that have been around longer than kde2… and with the
    upcoming release of GTK2, themes are getting better and faster. Themes
    under KDE just dont look “pretty”. Even Gnome icons are better. So
    customising Gnome to look differently isnt that hard..however KDE just
    looks like that, Mosfet just looks tacky.

    KDE Myth: We have all the cool appz. QT/KDE rulesss!

    Oh really? So lets now count Evolution, GIMP, Red Carpet, Xchat, XMMS,
    Galeon, Balsa, Gnumeric, Pan, Abiword, mplayer, Glade, Anjuta …Gnome/GTK
    has plently of cool apps.

    KDE Myth: Gnome is loosing, its dead, just use KDE.

    Well considering most new distros have KDE preinstalled as default, ie,
    Mandrake, Lindows, Caldera, Corel, Suse ..and some other I missed out, its not
    surprising Gnome is losing *some* support, But with Ximian and Redhat
    Gnome/GTK will keep on living. QT is hardly community developed, GTK+ has always been community developed…and thus we as the linux community we _should_ support it.

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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 and Woody
    Author: ironstorm
    Date: Thursday, 2002/02/14 – 19:59
    >> KDE Myth: Koffice owns, Kspread, Kword..they own, Gnome-office sucks.

    This is not a myth, gnome-office DOES suck. Gnumeric maybe good, but where is everything else in Gnome office? AbiWord is written by AbiSource not Xiaman… I don’t remember seeing it proclaiming itself as the offical word processor of Gnome. But it’s a moot point because MS Word is still better then both KWord and AbiWord.

    >> KDE Myth: Konq ownz mozilla, netscape etc…

    Did the GNOME project write Mozilla? or Navigator? hmm…. Wait, here we go again…. You know if GNOME wrote their own HTML rendering engine it proably wouldn’t be half as good as konq.

    >>KDE Myth: GTK+ is just damn ugly

    This is completely subjective, but I do find GNOME is damn ugly, KDE’s UI may not be consistent between all the apps but at least they’ve made an effort to integrated the whole thing into a common environment, GNOME always felt like a bunch of different programs slammed together…. Again this is totally subjective however.

    >>KDE Myth: We have all the cool appz. QT/KDE rulesss!

    >>Oh really? So lets now count Evolution, GIMP, Red Carpet, Xchat, XMMS, Galeon, Balsa, Gnumeric, Pan, Abiword, mplayer, Glade, Anjuta …Gnome/GTK has plently of cool apps.

    Besides Gnumeric HOW MANY of those apps did the GNOME project write? how many of those were written to run only on GNOME? ZERO.

    GTK wasn’t even written for GNOME! It was written for GIMP…

    Oh and btw, I can run all of those apps under KDE
    and they look just fine.

    If you want to have an intelligent conversation about KDE vs. GNOME you need to pull your head out of your ass and start comparing apples to apples.

    -Ironstorm

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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 and Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/04/03 – 00:24
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    Subject: 1 down, 2 to go …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/02/12 – 13:24
    The kdelibs debs are built and sitting on a private repository so I can give them a damn good thumping; I plan to have kdebase finished tomorrow, and then kdeutils on either Thursday night or Saturday.

    Right now tho, I’m going to roll back about 10cm, tip my chair back and collapse in to bed. I’m damn tired.

    PS: The reason these first debs took so long was because I had to battle qt3 and its god-awful build system; the others should come in much quicker secession.

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    Subject: Re: 1 down, 2 to go …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2002/02/14 – 03:09
    Yeah, and as I say that, I discover that a kdebase build takes over a gig; I don’t have a >p166 machine that has over a gig. Thanks to everyone on debian-kde who generously responded to my plea for help; I’m lining up a build machine now.

    SSH access from school, SSH access from school, my kingdom for … etc

    d

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    Subject: RDF FYI
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/02/10 – 04:16
    FYI your backend.php code still doesn’t strip out ampersands, which are illegal in RSS 0.92.
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    Subject: Re: RDF FYI
    Author: alp
    Date: Sunday, 2002/02/10 – 15:35
    Fixed, sorry about that. The PHPNuke development team seem to have a different interpretation of the RSS specification than the rest of the world. I’ll post a notice on the staff mailing list to remind our editors about this.
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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2002/02/10 – 02:05
    Does that mean that you are going to package KDE 3 after all? I thought that was Chris’ area?
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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2002/02/11 – 07:45
    Chris will maintain the packages once KDE3’s out. For the moment he’s preoccupied with KDE2.2, so I’m knocking up some KDE3 packages. Of course, we don’t share a brain, so they may turn out completely different, but what I can tell you at this stage is that they will not co-exist with KDE2.2 debs. It’s impossible without resorting to ugly and stupid hacks, and I will not resort to ugly and stupid hacks.
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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/02/12 – 02:14
    So you’re switching to FreeBSD?
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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/02/12 – 05:13
    Surprisingly, Linux can exist without stupid and ugly hacks, esp. Debian. The reason apache2 was knocked back was to do the virtual hosting *right*; there are many other instances of this. I think this is one of the benefits of a distribution which values quality above speed (I was going to say quantity, buuuuttt …) – the releases may be slow, but they’re damn good.
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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: danrees
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/02/12 – 18:22
    I definitely agree there DanielS. I started using Debian this weekend after being a SuSE fan, and despite my past perception, it is generally much easier to use. Nothing is broken in Woody (if it is, it is fixed quickly), it just works. I like having the choice of rock-hard stable, stableish, and bleeding edge (aka Potato, Woody, Sid) – no other system I know offers in such a simple method.

    Thanks to all the developers!

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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: che
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/02/12 – 22:40
    There are things broken in Woody, and partly because of the freeze at the moment to get the new release out. But it’s easily fixed by adding some packages from Sid ;c)

    C.

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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/02/13 – 07:19
    How does one determine which packages need to be added from Sid?
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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: che
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/02/13 – 09:12
    The ones that won’t work right :c)

    Seriously. I found out that because KDE on woody was mixed (kde 2.2.1 and 2.1.2), kmail would keep on crashin on me when sending attachments.
    Then I took KDE and dependencies from sid and the rest from woody. It works like a charm and thanks to the /etc/apt/preferences file, apt-get update updates only KDE (and dependencies) from sid and the rest from woody.

    C.

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    Subject: Re: KDE-Debian HOWTO for KDE2 & Woody
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Thursday, 2002/02/14 – 03:08
    Actually, there’s another KMail bug of this sort; if you’re not running it from KDE, it won’t send attachments, because it tries to save to the /tmp/.kde-user folder, which doesn’t exist, because you haven’t started KDE.

    K3b2 debs soon,
    d

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