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    PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Submitted by robster on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 – 22:28
    ProgenyIn light of the imminent release of Debian 3.0 (“woody”),
    Progeny Linux Systems is making available to the public a BETA
    version of a woody installer based on our PGI software.

    ISO images of this BETA installer are available at:

    http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/pgi/

    Note that by default, this installer will download Debian
    packages from the Debian mirror at
    http://archive.progeny.com/.
    We encourage you to use a Debian mirror that is closer to you;
    please see the list at:

    http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors

    We do *not* recommend using the round-robin DNS mirrors (such
    as http.us.debian.org), because debootstrap may download the
    Packages.gz file from one mirror, but the packages themselves
    from several others, and the mirrors may not be in sync. This
    desynchronization can cause debootstrap to fail. (Ideally,
    woody is static enough that this isn’t a problem, but just to
    be on the safe side we recommend picking one mirror by name and
    sticking with it.)

    You can specify the desired mirror as follows:

    1) On IA-32 (i386) systems, supply the MIRROR argument to the
    “install” command at the syslinux program’s “boot:” prompt.

    For example:

    boot: install MIRROR=http://raff.debian.org/debian/

    2) On IA-64 (ia64) systems, supply the MIRROR argument to the
    “elilo” command at the EFI shell when you are using the drive
    letter corresponding to your CD/DVD-ROM drive.

    For example:

    fs2:/> elilo install MIRROR=http://raff.debian.org/debian/

    Note that this is a network-based installer; it retrieves *all*
    Debian packages from the Web, and is not a suitable
    installation method for machines behind a firewall with no HTTP
    access, or for machines with network connection at all.

    You may be familiar with PGI from several discussion threads
    here as well as its website:

    http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi/

    PGI is a multi-architecture graphical and text-mode installer
    for Debian. This BETA is available for the Intel IA-32 (a.k.a.
    “i386”) and IA-64 platforms.

    PGI is descended from the installer used by Progeny Debian 1.0
    (“newton”), which got very positive reviews for its easy
    interface. PGI is even more robust than its predecessor in
    Progeny Debian.

    Please send feedback on this BETA to
    pgi-users@lists.progeny.com. Please do *not* send feedback
    to debian-devel unless the issue is germane to general Debian
    issues.

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: asjo
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/06/25 – 11:42
    First of all: nice cd/installer!

    Then the gripes:

    * If you misspell the MIRROR= and/or you forget to switch to a console and modprobe your network cards driver (sis900 or 3c509 on the machines I’ve tried to far), debootstrap fails, and the installer just displays a large dialog with the only option being Ok; reboot – start over. I’d like to be able to get that dialog with two buttons Retry and Quit (or something), so I could jump to a console, modprobe the network-card-driver, and then punch Retry in the dialog. Being able to modify the MIRROR would of course be extra fine.

    * When booting from the harddisk for the first time, it seems that it’s not the same X-config used as when booting from the cd. With a Matrox G550-card at the first harddisk boot, X wouldn’t start.

    * When X won’t start, you can choose to reconfigure X. If you say Yes to that, you are prompted for the root password. But root doesn’t have a password yet. Access denied.

    * In the flurry of retries and reboots, I accidentally told the installer (I think) just to forget about the second part of the install (setting root password and so on). That was a mistake. I couldn’t figure out how to run that part of the installer again. (I tried looking in the logfiles, on the cd and so on). And I couldn’t find the text from the dialog in which I choose the wrong thing (it had nice information, but I was coming by it a lot of times and quickly stopped reading it). So I came to “I don’t know where to go”-grinding halt with a passwordless root account.

    The last one is more me being stupid and not being able to find the correct way to invoke the second part of the installer than anything else. It would be nice if it was easy to find though.

    Just some quick feedback for a very nice installation-tool – “It’s much friendlier, in the other installer I asked all kinds of questions I didn’t know the answer for” was one of the comments I heard when I showed it to a coworker.

    Just babbling,

    Adam.

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Overfiend
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/06/25 – 17:11
    Hi, can you post to the pgi-users
    mailing list so that I can help you out with these
    issues?

    Responding here in Debian Planet is kind of a pain, and now that this story has fallen off the
    front page, I think it would make more sense to
    have this discussion where someone might have
    a fighting chance to see it in the future. 🙂

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: asjo
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/06/26 – 17:11
    Certainly.

    /Adam.

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: asjo
    Date: Tuesday, 2002/06/25 – 13:12
    Comment on the last thing: It seems that configlets-druid segfaults when run on the machine I’m trying it on now, and then S99unconfigured and friends are deleted/cleaned up. I tried running /cdrom/share/installer/postinsh.sh with TARGET=” and LIVE=/cdrom, hoping it would work, but configlet-druid seems to do the sig11-trick.

    Another (small) thing: with nodhcp it’s optional whether you want to enter a broadcast-address, but /etc/networks/interfaces is created with a line that says “broadcast”, which confused ifup, and no default route is set.

    Best fishes,

    Adam.

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    Subject: PGI FAQ updated
    Author: Overfiend
    Date: Friday, 2002/06/21 – 16:06
    The PGI FAQ has been updated; some folks may want to check it out.
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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Malthus
    Date: Friday, 2002/06/21 – 04:47
    I tried it. here are the issues I had 🙂
    1. it hung for a while doing dhcp (msg was sending discover) didn’t know what was happenning. Should say trying to autodetect network settings or something or give you a choice
    2. discover didn’t load drivers for my usb (via 686b chipset) I know discover works with this chipset. Hence my usb mouse never worked

    also it would be nice if there were some more choices for filesystem type and some virtual terminals and maybe a debug console.
    Jolly good show though 🙂

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: ironstorm
    Date: Friday, 2002/06/21 – 13:21
    > 2. discover didn’t load drivers for my usb (via
    > 686b chipset) I know discover works with this
    > chipset. Hence my usb mouse never worked

    That sucks, does Kudzu detect your usb mouse?

    > some virtual terminals and maybe a debug
    > console.

    Virtual Terminals are there, CTRL-ALT-F1
    will get you to text mode and ALT-F7 will get
    you back to the installer… same as X-Windows.

    I wish there was a debug console too though (even
    if you had to use a DEBUG boot switch or
    something)… I think that would be helpful.

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Overfiend
    Date: Friday, 2002/06/21 – 16:04
    The original poster also sent this message to the pgi-users list, and I replied to him privately as well as in that list, so I’ll just reply to ironstorm’s message…
    That sucks, does Kudzu detect your usb mouse?
    The version of discover-data in unstable knows about many more devices than the version in testing/woody. Perhaps the Stable Release Manager can be persuaded to update discover-data for 3.0r1…
    I wish there was a debug console too though (even if you had to use a DEBUG boot switch or something).
    The main console becomes a debug console if you specify the “debug” flag at the boot prompt; see the PGI users’ manual.
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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Overfiend
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 19:25
    Please send feedback on this BETA to .

    Looks like something got lost in the HTML-ification of my email to debian-devel…robster, can you fix it?

    Please send feedback on this BETA to the PGI users’ mailing list.

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: rdorsch
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 16:36
    Does the PGI Installer touch Windows partitions?

    Thanks.

    Rainer

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Overfiend
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 19:23
    Does the PGI Installer touch Windows partitions?

    I’m not sure what you mean by “touch”, but I’ll try to cover all the bases.

    PGI’s graphical partitioner supports three modes: “Entire Drive”, “Free Space”, and “Custom”. “Entire Drive” will wipe your entire drive. (If you have more than one disk, it will prompt you as to which one you want to wipe.) “Free Space” will attempt to find sufficient unpartitioned space on a disk to set up root and swap partitions (again, if you have more than one disk, it will prompt you as to which one you want to use.) You will be given another chance to select your partitioning method if “Free Space” cannot find enough free space to perform an installation. “Custom” creates a tree view of the partitions on your disk(s) and permits you to delete any partition, and create and edit FAT, swap, and ext2 partition. (“Edit” means you are able to toggle the bootable flag, set the mount point, etc.)

    If you have an existing Windows installation that you would like to keep,
    I suggest trying the “Free Space” option in the event there is unallocated space on your hard drive. Don’t choose “Entire Disk” unless you have multiple hard disks and no data of importance on one of them.

    The graphical partitioner at present cannot resize partitions, but the text installation mode
    uses GNU Parted to perform partitioning, and Parted can resize partitions.

    Also see the PGI Users’ Manual.

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: high
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 15:56
    Can it use/create other filesystems then ext2?
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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: OverrideX
    Date: Monday, 2002/06/24 – 04:02
    If pgi’s installer had support for XFS, it’d certainly be the way to install debian. -Dan
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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Overfiend
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 18:50
    Can it use/create other filesystems then ext2?

    The PGI partitioner only supports ext2 filesystems at present, however:

    • Support for alternative filesystems is a milestone for version 1.1 of PGI. At present, ext3 has been identified as an alternative (we know there are others, but ext3 support is the easiest to implement, so support for it is practically assured). The plan is to be flexible enough to support arbitrary alternative filesystem types.
    • Any filesystem type recognized by the kernel

      and installed utilities can be used post-installation. The BETA ISO for i386 that Progeny has made available, for instance, only has support for ext2 compiled into it, since that is all that is supported by the 2.4.18-386 Debian kernel flavor. You can read more about this type of issue in the PGI vendors’ manual.

    • Therefore, you can create a PGI installer today that supports any filesystem you want as long as a kernel and userspace utilities are available. However, as noted above, the partitioner can at present only create FAT, ext2, and Linux swap partitions.
    • Post-install, ext3 support is only a tune2fs -j away. If you want to use
      ext3 on your root partition, be sure you upgrade
      to a kernel with ext3 support compiled in, if you want to take advantage of it. (If the ext3 driver is unavailable, the kernel will fall back to mounting the filesystem as ext2, since the two filesystem types are compatible.)
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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Rolozo
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 08:44
    Can this install unattended via autoinstall?
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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Overfiend
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 18:32
    Can this install unattended via autoinstall?

    No, PGI is an interactive installer. If you want unattended, non-interactive installation, I
    recommend the autoinstall
    package.

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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: Htwo
    Date: Wednesday, 2002/06/19 – 23:32
    This is a turning point, or something like that anyway…
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    Subject: Re: PGI installer ISO image (BETA) for woody now available
    Author: ashridah
    Date: Thursday, 2002/06/20 – 05:59
    cool. glad to see someone’s made debian pretty to install.
    i’ll snag this sometime in the next few weeks and check it out.

    ashridah

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