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    Regular snapshots … (UPDATED)
    Submitted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 28, 2001 – 13:25
    “Mandrake now do a weekly release of its distro called Freq, which contains all the latest packages for those who want them (albeit at the risk of not being as stable as the official release).

    Now why doesn’t Debian do the same, releasing a CD set of the testing or unstable trees?


    Anybody think a testing/unstable snapshot release of Debian would be a good idea?

    Netsnipe (1May01): Yes, there are ISO images of the Unstable (Sid) and Testing (Woody) trees but these ISOs are *unofficial*…


    Though I haven’t checked the contents of the ISOs myself (I’m on dialup), one can safely assume that they either contain the installation program of Stable, or more likely none at all, as the Woody installation disks are still in experimental stages. (http://cvs.debian.org).


    Attila Nagy (contact details unknown, so please feel free to contact me), has created a set of 5 and 7 CD ISOs for Woody and Sid, respectively which as far as I know have been uploaded only to PlanetMirror (Australian). Both of them were last updated on the 20th of April. Feel free to submit us the locations of any mirrors if you know of any.

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2001/04/29 – 08:39
    I am a recent Debian convert from Mandrake. I have a few comments.

    1. Debian isn’t everything to everyone, it is a stability based distribution and I doing a better job IMHO than anyone else period. IMHO again Debian is on par with commercial UNIX’s for uses as a server. Anything to damage how stable Debian is would be a big mistake.

    2. apt-get if you could upgrade from mandrake 6.2 too 8.0 through any tool they wouldn’t be making CD’s. You can use “apt-get” too upgrade to the current, testing or bleeding edge distributions.

    3. The official releases of Mandrake are extremely feature packed with bleeding edge software but is much less stable than the stable release of Debian.

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2001/04/29 – 21:31
    Yes, but I think that as long as Mandrake advertises that their distro is “stable enough” (meaning, more stable than what most Mandrake users are used to, i.e. Windows9x) then it’s fine. Bleeding edge software has problems, everyone knows this. Mandrake does it’s best, but that’s their position in the market “Newest, Nicest-looking out-of-the-box, friendlist. Most seem to agree on this point (including me, as I use it).

    Thanks,
    Brendan

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Monday, 2001/04/30 – 13:43
    You have a fundimental split in thinking here, Debian is a stable distribution. If you really want the new pretty stuff, your probably better off with mandrake as long as the keep everything GPL’ed.

    Once you are done playing with software toys and have been doing it for 10+ years you get really irritated by bugs in software. Then you will be able to come back to debian 3.3r7.

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2001/04/29 – 07:14
    All you have to do is an apt-get update once every week (tracking unstable). And there you have it, weekly unstable updates.

    I dont see why you’d bother to “install” off a weekly unstable snapshot, when you can just install from the netboot floppies and get the latest.

    Then again, yes I know, some people still have only dialups, but then do they really want to order a cd once every week just to update their system and never use it again? The price of all that would greatly shadow the added price of a DSL or ISDN or some such.

    Maybe I’m missing the point? Ah yes, Mandrake is doing it because their update system isn’t as slick as Debian’s … So why should Debian try to mimic that?

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    Subject: that’s missing the point
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Tuesday, 2001/05/01 – 14:41
    First, some people need to be able to install packages even if they have no dial-up available. With RedHat, you can travel with your laptop and the RedHat distribution CDs, confident that you can install anything major from CD if you need to.

    Another issue is that more frequent releases give people stable reference points. With Debian, you are either running something that’s very outdated or something that keeps constantly changing.

    Yes, Debian’s on-line update system is great, much better than RedHat’s. But Debian has its own limitations when it comes to those other issues.

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2001/04/29 – 04:33
    debian does this already. examples: 2.2r2, 2.2r3, etc.

    the difference is that MandrakeFreq adds other requested features like: new XFree86, new KDE, new GNOME, new Mozilla browser, etc.

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2001/04/28 – 17:56
    In my opinion is Debian the best distribution available just because it is stable AND all the parts of the system work smoothly together (besides, of course, of its wonderful package administration software …)
    If you want that, you have to pay a price for it. Stability and system coherence are for my higher values than being “up-to-date”. There are enough distributions out there which fulfill this purpose (one of the best surely is Linux Mandrake). I strongly encourage Debian in its strategy. By the way: Up-to-date dies just in the moment you are up-to-date …
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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2001/04/28 – 15:00
    Some of the CD vendors provide this service. For example Sinzix (in german, see it Babelfishy).

    Take a look at the vendor list here to find someone closer to your area.

    Personally I think this is the best way. It is better for Debian developers to spend time on releasing stable distributions, rather than unstable snapshots. Enterprising vendors can then add value to their business by providing this service.

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2001/04/28 – 16:15
    however it probably would be benificial for debian to release snapshots of package files when there are no dependecy problems in the unstable tree and keep those packages available. i could see a few ways to expand this idea to make it quite useable
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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2001/04/28 – 20:11
    when there are no dependecy problems in the unstable tree

    Yeah, like that’ll ever happen.

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Saturday, 2001/04/28 – 13:50
    > Now why doesn’t Debian do the same, releasing > a CD set of the testing or unstable trees?

    You have the answer ! Because it is unstable …

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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: Anonymous
    Date: Sunday, 2001/04/29 – 03:30
    >Because it is unstable … < so, i am assuming, will be the mandrake releases 🙂
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    Subject: Re: Regular snapshots …
    Author: robster
    Date: Saturday, 2001/04/28 – 13:32
    Hhmm, personally i’m not too keen on this. You could run a cdimage cronjob on a updated mirror on a weekly basis to build it, But it may be that some crucial things might be broken…
    I think it is a waste of time downloading a bunch of ISOs at 650meg a piece whena potato -> sid upgrade may only take up 250 odd (?).
    If anyone has an upto date woody mirror running Debian and they want to do this, DP will happily link to it.
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